My parish gave communion to a pro-choice Catholic

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I meant let the legal system execute the rapist.

What do you propose in the first half our? Something that prevents fertilization?
 
SacredHeartBassist said:
Except that choice takes the life of another.
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Except in this narrow situation, there is not indication that life has been created. Possible yes, but Church approved NFP has, as part of its design, the prevention of the creation of a new life.
 
Nfp isn’t the deliberate killing of human life. Abortion is. Nfp is open to life. It’s not contraception.
 
redbetta said:
I meant let the legal system execute the rapist.

What do you propose in the first half our? Something that prevents fertilization?
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One, do you mean execute as in capital punishment. I might suggest that that is conspiracy (not the actual word I want) to be pro choice. We could argue that for hours.

What I propose is that the woman in question be allowed her choice in that situation. Obviously something (most likely chemical) that prevents implantation if fertilization has even occurred, is what I am referring to.
 
Which is like starving a child. It’s illegal to do that. What you’re describing is an abortion. It’s the deliberate killing of a human being.

And I disagree with redbetta on capital punishment. It’s better to incarcerate for life.
 
Preventing implantation would still be abortion. In these cases, it’d be better to come up with something that prevents fertilization.
 
SacredHeartBassist said:
Nfp isn’t the deliberate killing of human life. Abortion is. Nfp is open to life. It’s not contraception.
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A person engaging in relations when it is known that pregnancy will not (98% chance) not occur is against the idea of conceiving a new life. That is contra (against) conception.
 
There’s still the possibility of conceiving. It’s still bein open to life.
 
What about people who are not Catholic and don’t view it as a mortal sin and will not raise their children in the Faith but maybe another faith such as Islam of Judaism, the Church has the view that they will not go to Heaven since they are not Christian. So the fetus has no chance of Heaven. These are just different viewpoints.
 
How is it not? We are arguing whether abortion should be allowed in such cases.
 
This is beginning to be a “dog chasing its tail” type of circular argument. I am not arguing the morality of contraception and abortion. I am stating that man is given free will by God and must be allowed to make choices, even if those choices seem to others to be against the will of God as taught by the RCC.

Man is free to choose evil in many, many ways. It is the nature of man. Man is a being of volitional consciousness, we live by making choice, not by animal instinct. Animals can’t sin because they can’t choose. Man can, and sometimes we choose evil and sin. But if God doesn’t take our free will, our ability to choose away, do we have the right to do that to others. We (the Church) instruct, we don’t coerce. It is our job to speak the truth. Not enforce it on society.
 
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redbetta said:
How is it not? We are arguing whether abortion should be allowed in such cases.
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AS my above post says, I am not arguing abortion, right or wrong, but simply the exercise of free will, even if it is not exercised properly
 
The Church never taught that. The Church actually teaches that everyone who dies under the age of reason (the ability to make choices for themselves and choose right and wrong) goes to heaven and becomes a saint.) The idea that non baptized babies or fetuses don’t go to heaven is not supported by Church teaching.
 
Except in every society we create laws to prevent certain behavior because it’s in the best interest of society. We believe abortion is just like murder. Murder is illegal. Child abuse is illegal. Abortion isn’t.
 
To what extent we should be legally allowed to exercise free will? I say our freedom should legally when what we want to do causes physical or material harm to other people.
 
Lol. Read any medical textbook. Gimme a break. Science shows it begins at conception. Unique DNA.
 
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