My parish gave communion to a pro-choice Catholic

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redbetta said:
To what extent we should be legally allowed to exercise free will? I say our freedom should legally when what we want to do causes physical or material harm to other people.
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Oh, I can’t wait for the free will police. Who’ll run it, Nancy Pelosi or Vice President Pence?
 
So I should legally be allowed to put cyanide in your cereal if you cause me mental distress?
 
redbetta said:
This is a matter of life or death. Sorry, no one has the right to execute another human being for mental distress. Execute the rapist instead.
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Sometimes choices are easy when we are not the ones who have to make them.

“Execute the rapist” is also taking a life. Who are you to judge if that person should live or die based on a choice they made?
 
wantthetruth5 said:
the Church has the view that they will not go to Heaven since they are not Christian.
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All human life, dignity from conception until natural life, no life is more precious than the other.

Actually, the Church’s teaching on other religious is far more nuanced than that. I’d suggest reading the entire chapter in the CCC that begins with para 839. One para:

843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#839
 
I’m not saying we should execute rapists. But it makes more sense to execute the actual guilty party in this scenario.
 
joeybaggz said:
Yours is a valid point. But still, it isn’t abortion I am (for lack of a better term) arguing for, it is the right of a person in extreme mental and physical distress to make a choice freely, even if it is wrong. That is the nature of free will, even though sometimes man does not use it in a “correct” manner.
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joeybaggz said:
Man is free to choose evil in many, many ways. It is the nature of man. Man is a being of volitional consciousness, we live by making choice, not by animal instinct. Animals can’t sin because they can’t choose. Man can, and sometimes we choose evil and sin. But if God doesn’t take our free will, our ability to choose away, do we have the right to do that to others. We (the Church) instruct, we don’t coerce. It is our job to speak the truth.
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joeybaggz said:
AS my above post says, I am not arguing abortion, right or wrong, but simply the exercise of free will, even if it is not exercised properly
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@joeybaggz I see your point. That even if a choice is wrong, the person should still have the right to choose it (or maybe your just asking if the person should still have the right to choose it). That could be a valid argument for other issues such as prostitution (although that can easily end in abortion) since “no one really gets hurt (except it destroys the soul completely)” but the case is different with abortion. Because on top of not being a good choice you also kill the babies. So we could be talking about free will if it was consensual between every person involved but it is not. If you make bad decisions, I’ll tell you not to but I wouldn’t force you not to, however, when you start killing babies, that’s where I have the problem with free will. When your “free will” kills another human being, that’s where you must stop and that’s what I want to be illegal. If you want the right to have extramarital sex, I can tell you why that’s a sucky idea but I can’t force my ideas upon you, you have to choose it. However, there’s a huge difference between that where everyone consented and “no one get’s hurt” and when you start killing babies. Pro-lifers advocate, not for the morally correct choice but for the babies.
 
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While I do think that making abortion unthinkable is a better goal than simply making it illegal, it should be noted that laws forbidding a certain course of action do not take away free will. People still murder and steal and rape even though those things are both illegal and immoral.
 
redbetta said:
I’m not saying we should execute rapists. But it makes more sense to execute the actual guilty party in this scenario.
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As I said, many choices are simple when we’re not the one who has to make them.

Essentially what I hear is condemnation for a woman who has made a choice. I don’t see that as either Catholic or Christian. Because in your scenario, she’s left in the middle.
 
I’m not saying that it’s easy. Doing the right thing is more often than not hard.

I wouldn’t condemn someone in this scenario since it’s hard to discern what is right in such a tight spot. I’m just arguing that that option should not be legally given. But, if she found a way to do it on her own or someone coerced her, I wouldn’t prosecute her.
 
The problem isn’t upon you on who a priest decides to give the Eucharist to or not. All you can do if you see something that isn’t allowed is report it to the Bishop, and pray for the priest , the bishop, and the person who recieved. If you are not comfortable being at that particular parish you just find a new one, it isn’t a big deal on which parish you go to.
 
kudos John, someone who is trying to put this thread back on track.
 
SacredHeartBassist said:
There’s still the possibility of conceiving. It’s still bein open to life.
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Be careful with that kind of reasoning. You’ll back yourself into a corner. There is still a possibility of conceiving while on birth control, using condoms, taking shots, etc. What does the Church actually teach about contraception? Stick with that.
 
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