My pope is right!

[archangel01]

The recent comment by Pope Benedict XVI about the impotence of condom which is causing uproar in the media is uncalled for.As the vicar of Christ on earth, the pope is vehemently defending humanity from scientico-secular enchroament.In as much as the CHURCH is concerned, ABTSINENCE and FAITHFULNESS are the anwers.my Pope is right!
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[ckempston]

The recent comment by Pope Benedict XVI about the impotence of condom which is causing uproar in the media is uncalled for.As the vicar of Christ on earth, the pope is vehemently defending humanity from scientico-secular enchroament.In as much as the CHURCH is concerned, ABTSINENCE and FAITHFULNESS are the anwers.my Pope is right!
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I voted yes, but I only agree insofar as he meant that the promotion of condom use in immoral relationships can exacerbate the problem by giving people a false sense of security and some kind of license to be immoral. I do not agree with Catholic positions on contraception used in marriage (with the exception of abortifacients).

 

[Dori1]

Even from the scientific standpoint the pope is right! Condom use has caused the epidemic of AIDS to be significantly exacerbated in Africa. The phenomenon is, indeed, one of “false security.” The overcompensation for this results in a significant increase in high risk behaviors (sociologically, married women are the primary victims because the men are, statistically, far more likely to be engaging in extramarital sex in these societies). As a result, the failure rate of condoms (though relatively low) results in increased numbers of infected individuals. Each of these infected individuals continues to engage in risky behaviors believing that the condoms make it “alright.” The cascade reaction is clear and the result is a disaster for the African nations experiencing epidemic rates of HIV/AIDS infections. This cascade is confirmed by the research. However the politically “incorrect” message it conveys has made it nearly impossible to get the mainstream to accept it.

At this point, the only hope is abstinence and faithfulness … and a lot of prayer

 

[vppoole]

I think the Pope is right and that people (especially other bishops) should look at some facts before calling him ignorant and detached from modern society.

Hasn’t Uganda been the most successful African country at reducing the spread of AIDS/HIV infections? And isn’t that country one of the largest supporters of promoting pre-marital abstinence and marital faithfulness before any use of condoms?

I think the lesson of our time is that there is no substitute for personal responsibility and self control. It is disappointing that the press, despite its immediate criticism of the Pope’s bold statements, does not openly report the failures of contraceptive-based programs at reducing the spread of AIDS/HIV. I agree with the Pope that trusting in the false solution of condoms exacerbates the problems in Africa.

ckempston, could you please explain how you think the Catholic position regarding contraception within marriage is in error?

Pax!

 

[ckempston]

I think the Pope is right and that people (especially other bishops) should look at some facts before calling him ignorant and detached from modern society.

Hasn’t Uganda been the most successful African country at reducing the spread of AIDS/HIV infections? And isn’t that country one of the largest supporters of promoting pre-marital abstinence and marital faithfulness before any use of condoms?

I think the lesson of our time is that there is no substitute for personal responsibility and self control. It is disappointing that the press, despite its immediate criticism of the Pope’s bold statements, does not openly report the failures of contraceptive-based programs at reducing the spread of AIDS/HIV. I agree with the Pope that trusting in the false solution of condoms exacerbates the problems in Africa.

ckempston, could you please explain how you think the Catholic position regarding contraception within marriage is in error?

Pax!

Hi there. I just don’t happen to think there is anything wrong with barrier methods or tubuligation, vascectomy, etc., and I don’t think the Bible supports the Catholic position that sex must always be open to procreation within marriage (especially based on the story of Onan, which is pretty ridiculous to use as a moral compass, but most Catholics point to this as Biblical evidence). I don’t want to hijack the thread, so if you’d like to discuss it, I’d be glad to do so on another thread or in PM.

 

[Exalt]

The recent comment by Pope Benedict XVI about the impotence of condom which is causing uproar in the media is uncalled for. As the vicar of Christ on earth, the pope is vehemently defending humanity from scientico-secular enchroament sic]. In as much as the CHURCH is concerned, ABTSINENCE sic] and FAITHFULNESS are the anwers sic]. my Pope is right!
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“Scientico-secular encroachment”?

Yeah, how dare those “scientists” and “non-religious” people be concerned about preventing HIV/AIDS, especially how they’re all concerned with with their “research” and “education.” Clearly, the Church is the only qualified institution that must be allowed to help other people, and all those terrible scientists and secular public health advocates just need to stay off the Church’s turf.

I mean, come on. If you’re going to argue that the Pope is right, actually use arguments that make sense, instead of talking about how secular science is “encroaching” on the Church’s turf. That’s just silly.

 

[TLM08]

In light of the starvation and suffering from disease going on in the third world countries, the Church’s “black or white” stance on condoms is unreasonable.

HIV can lay dormant for years. Suppose you live in Somalia Did your husband or wife have other sexual partner(s) prior to marriage? Suppose your spouse had only one other partner, but unbeknownst to Him/Her that person slept with 30 others…

The pope is a great man, but the church needs evolve past the 12th century.

 

[Spirithound]

In light of the starvation and suffering from disease going on in the third world countries, the Church’s “black or white” stance on condoms is unreasonable.

HIV can lay dormant for years. Suppose you live in Somalia Did your husband or wife have other sexual partner(s) prior to marriage? Suppose your spouse had only one other partner, but unbeknownst to Him/Her that person slept with 30 others…

The pope is a great man, but the church needs evolve past the 12th century.

Haven’t you been listening? Chastity is WORKING IN UGANDA!!!

 

[DanteAlighieri]

I voted yes, but I only agree insofar as he meant that the promotion of condom use in immoral relationships can exacerbate the problem by giving people a false sense of security and some kind of license to be immoral. I do not agree with Catholic positions on contraception used in marriage (with the exception of abortifacients).

This false sense of security to which you refer does not miraculously disappear in marriage. Either an action is inherently immoral or it isn’t.

Sex outside of marriage is a different action from sex within marriage. Using a contraceptive is using a contraceptive, regardless of the circumstances. Doing so in marriage removes the openness to life that must be present for the union to be all that it must.

Peace,
Dante

 

[Oreoracle]

You know what the scary thing is? People are dying from these STDs, and all you guys care about is whether or not your pope is right. How about doing something useful, like, I dunno, donating money to these poor people?

 

[Joe_Kelley]

You know what the scary thing is? People are dying from these STDs, and all you guys care about is whether or not your pope is right. How about doing something useful, like, I dunno, donating money to these poor people?

Will money keep them from dying?

 

[Eddie_Mac]

You know what the scary thing is? People are dying from these STDs, and all you guys care about is whether or not your pope is right. How about doing something useful, like, I dunno, donating money to these poor people?

Throwing money at problems always helps.

Eddie Mac

 

[Oreoracle]

Throwing money at problems always helps.

Eddie Mac

Actually, yes, it does. At least it does for immediate problems, and disease is an immediate problem.

‘Spirit’, or whatever the pope intends to buffer, doesn’t tend to help much in these matters. Gradual change is not the best option.

 

[Will8503]

You know what the scary thing is? People are dying from these STDs, and all you guys care about is whether or not your pope is right. How about doing something useful, like, I dunno, donating money to these poor people?

How do you know that they haven’t donated money to poor people? There are many Catholic missionaries all around the world (as well as missionaries from other religions).

As for the government, instead of using money to promote abortion and contraception overseas, they should use that money to feed the poor, shelter the homeless, take care of the sick, and provide education to those who need it.

Food, not condoms.

 

[Eddie_Mac]

Actually, yes, it does. At least it does for immediate problems, and disease is an immediate problem.

‘Spirit’, or whatever the pope intends to buffer, doesn’t tend to help much in these matters. Gradual change is not the best option.

Actually, no, it does not. Short or long term.

The truth is what matters.

Throwing money at problems just increases the lies.

I give you the war against poverty and the war against drugs as prime examples.

The truth applied to these two “wars” would work wonders. So would the war against AIDS.

That is the problem with the current liberal thought. Long on someone else’s money and short on truth. The only time liberals have a problem is when they are asked to contribute to the issue at hand.

Eddie Mac

 

[Joe_Kelley]

If the money that is put into condums was put into securing clean drinking water many morel lives would be saved.

 

[goofyjim]

He may be right but he must also accept people’s rights to continue using condoms. They will and should always be someone’s free option to try to protect against unwanted diseases. IOW, they can do nothing to curtail the use of them except say they are immoral and don’t work.

 

[RobbyS]

He may be right but he must also accept people’s rights to continue using condoms. They will and should always be someone’s free option to try to protect against unwanted diseases. IOW, they can do nothing to curtail the use of them except say they are immoral and don’t work.

Ypu need to realize that a condom is a birth control devise, not a real barrier against AIDS etc. The people flooding the continent with condoms aim to reduce the number of Africans. not keep them healthy. Utopians like the Planned Parenthood People expect people all around the world to behave just as they do. But others look at the world differently. It took Christians a thousand years to get Europeans to behave, more or less, in accordance by our ideals. Monogamy and sexual restraint are a dearly won achievements , as momentous an achievement as the abolition of slavery. Treat them as mere conventions and they will be abandoned.

 

[goofyjim]

Ypu need to realize that a condom is a birth control devise, not a real barrier against AIDS etc. The people flooding the continent with condoms aim to reduce the number of Africans. not keep them healthy. Utopians like the Planned Parenthood People expect people all around the world to behave just as they do. But others look at the world differently. It took Christians a thousand years to get Europeans to behave, more or less, in accordance by our ideals. Monogamy and sexual restraint are a dearly won achievements , as momentous an achievement as the abolition of slavery. Treat them as mere conventions and they will be abandoned.

Regardless, we have no authority to restrict the use of condoms. We can only insist that they are wrong. They will continue to exist and be used.

 

[Spirithound]

Regardless, we have no authority to restrict the use of condoms. We can only insist that they are wrong. They will continue to exist and be used.

You mean since we are not a governmental authority?