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jam070406
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And like it’s been pointed out 100 times relativism is not tolerated. IMHO, your claim of generalized bashing is false and spoken out of emotionalism.
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JMJ_coder
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I didn’t even mention Catholic in that post. I mentioned Christ and truth. Christ is truth, Christ is one, hence truth is one.
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Hajnalcsillag
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Talking about the tolerance or intolerance of relativism is one thing. My original post (#118) said
I appreciate the irony of what this thread has become from the original post. It’s basically a call for tolerance without hammering on someone and trying to convert them, and looks what it’s become…“you’re wrong, your church was founded by liars, 30000 churches, blah blah blah”.
That was after 117 posts. We’re up to 263 now, and it’s still the same.
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CHESTERTONRULES
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jam070406
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You made the accusation of Catholics bashing non-catholics. Funny how you only see it one way.
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Hajnalcsillag
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A clever attempt at a trap. If I say, “No”, then you’ll inform me that I deny God’s holiness or righteousness since it would be manifested in absolute truth. If I say, “Yes”, then you’ll tell me that if I truly believed, I would be Catholic.
I believe that there are absolutes of faith and doctrine. I believe that, in number, they are far fewer than any denomination would ever acknowledge.
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Hajnalcsillag
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I see one non-Catholic active on this thread besides myself (I think I have four posts now).
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jam070406
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And the bashing?
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Hajnalcsillag
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You want to go through and pick apart over 250 posts to determine which way the balance goes?
It’s pretty standard anyway. If I actually do it, most of the non-Catholic bashing will be “correcting error”, while the Catholic bashing would be “inappropriate” or “offensive”.
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jam070406
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I don’t think there has been bashing from either side. Just people trying to debate their views.
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dzheremi
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Your other posts in this thread prove otherwise. See JMJ Coder’s response to this point. He said it better than I could have.
You are on the defensive because you are not being honest about your motivations for starting this thread, which are very clearly anti-Catholic. People aren’t buying it, and you’re getting upset. Understandable.
I am not here to attack Presbyterianism or Protestantism in general, but I am also not going to pretend that it’s all the same. I’m Catholic for many reasons, and I will defend the Church against people who would seek to insult and defame it just because they are offended that it’s not okay with whatever they want to do.
I’m not expecting anything. I’m not the one who started this thread. If you’re so okay with the Catholic Church, then why post the things that you have posted in this thread? You are the one who has brought up issues like birth control, gay marriage, and others, apparently with full knowledge of Church positions on these issues and your own opinions that are at variance with those positions. Catholics did not twist your arm and squeeze them out of you. This is not some sort of inquisition. I have no sympathy for you for having come here, defaming the Church to which the majority of posters here at CATHOLIC ANSWERS belong to, then complaining that the Catholics are “attacking” you. Seriously, grow up.
You are at variance with Catholic teachings and you know it. You want us to know that you don’t like being told that you are at variance with those teachings (though you also apparently want to prove that you don’t care because they don’t apply to you…), so you start this thread to complain that you should be able to do whatever you want, because you have YOUR truth and it isn’t wrong to you. Again, fine, believe whatever you want to believe, but I am not attacking you by telling you what you apparently already know. You can follow whatever church you want and do whatever you want, but don’t ever expect any Catholic or other Apostolic Christian to assent to your relativist ideas. What you believe means nothing compared to what Jesus has passed down through His Church and the traditions of His Apostles.
The heart is deceitful above all things…
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pismopal
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Don’t most of your posts involve some form of disagreement with the RCC? If you have no beef with Catholic authority…why are you here?
I must add that all non Catholic denoms are in existence because they disagree with the Church founded by Christ. It’s hard for some to be led by those in authority. They want their own show without interference by those with Holy Orders.
PS My question…“why are you here?” in no way means that I don’t think you should be here.
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seeker_of_God
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You admitted in a previous post, I think, that Christ did start this Church, but you said a lot has changed in 2000 years.
When God chose the Israelites, did He ever abandon them because they were disobeying Him? Did He ever break his covenant with them? No. What makes you think that He would break His covenant with the Catholic Church, as the one true Church? Christ made a promise to Peter, that the gates of hell would never overcome the Church. We still have the Church 2000 years later, in much the same form.
God doesn’t break His promises.
When God chose the Israelites, did He ever abandon them because they were disobeying Him? Did He ever break his covenant with them? No. What makes you think that He would break His covenant with the Catholic Church, as the one true Church? Christ made a promise to Peter, that the gates of hell would never overcome the Church. We still have the Church 2000 years later, in much the same form.
God doesn’t break His promises.
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DelScorcho
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I believe Christ’s Church is all of Christianity… all flavors.
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CHESTERTONRULES
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That is what the Catholic Church teaches.
All Christians subsist within the one Holy and Apostolic Church, but not all Christians are in full communion with this Church.
In protestant Christianity, there are some major differences in doctrine between denominations.
Some of these differences are not compatible. For example, infant baptism is either effective and necessary or it is not.
A person who is once saved is either assured of salvation or they are not.
These issues, and others, are not secondary issues. They are at the core of the faith.
Don’t you think that we should want to know the truth with regard to core issues?
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DelScorcho
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Sure, but I don’t believe the truth lies with the RCC.
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CHESTERTONRULES
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Do you believe God left his Church with no guide?
Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead the apostles into all truth.
Do you think he meant into some truth and into some falsehood?
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DelScorcho
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I believe He placed the “guide” into the hearts of all me.
I believe God serves all religions that worship him.
I do not believe that the RCC is the only true religion.
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CHESTERTONRULES
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Then whey don’t all men agree on central doctrines of the faith?
Is the fault with God or with men?
How could we be united in doctrine and truth without a central source or authority for receiving the guidance of the Holy Spirit?
If all Christians agreed, then your position would make sense.
However, since they don’t agree, your position does not make sense.
We must be careful to distinguish between promises Jesus made to his disciples versus promises made to all believers.
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