My run in with a "Catholic feminist"

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Lea101 said:
She does have a point though. People anonymously making fun of a heretic and making assumptions about her doesn’t really accomplish much and it’s not the same as Church fathers calling out heresy.

A holier way would be telling her that she’s wrong to her face, since that actually allows for conversation and a possible change of heart, compared to an anonymous thread about her, assuming that this person exists.
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I agree, but it is understandable the OP needed to vent.

Heresy is always demonic in origin, and being exposed to the demonic can be a vexing experience leaving one in need of some ventilation.
 
Of course it would be understandable to vent after a tiring situation (although we love to justify sinful thoughts and behaviors as venting, so one must be extremely careful here).
 
OP, all you need to do atm is tell the people around this woman that she is not a catholic, and that she is to be ignored regarding catholicism.

At least, this is what I would do.
 
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It is scary if it is being preached to young girls.
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Except it’s not. I’m a twenty-something feminist, and this is the first time I’ve come across the arguments that OP is describing.
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Odd because I heard the exact same thing from the rad-fems in the 70’s. It’s been around for a long while.
 
Sounds like my ex-wife (who went to get an ultrasound because she thought God had raped her and she was pregnant with the next coming of Jesus). After knowing her for 20+ years of complete normalcy, she lost her marbles. Fortunately, a decree of nullity is sailing through…
 
Lara said:
What you must understand is that men are very afraid of women like this, because they can do a lot of damage to them personally. And I’d agree with OP not to accidentally touch her.

I’ll say.

She may decide to engage the OP in further discussion, but he ought to be very careful. My guess is that she went to a “Catholic” retreat somewhere. I can’t imagine her getting this information at a women’s study class. If she does want to talk, I’d ask her if she’s been on any retreats. Then close mouth, open ears, and let her talk. If you have any chance of changing her opinions, it will take weeks before she trusts you and has spoken enough about her retreat experiences.
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I mean it when I say pray for her. But when you do encounter her, smile… nod your head yes… walk away. I mean that too. I grew up around toxic people. I steer real clear of them now. Real clear.
 
I agree that people so misguided need our prayers. There is a great spiritual warfare going on, and much prayer and sacrifices are needed.
 
Back away slowly. Do not make any sudden moves. Do not engage in a debate, she has gone around the bend. Really, do not treat this as someone who has mere political or even theological differences with you.

Anyone who reads the Magnificat and comes away thinking those are the words of a woman bursting out in rejoicing and praise of her rapist or that this was the response of a supernatural feminine personage lobbying to be worshiped as a goddess needs the help of a professional. Seriously. Someone would have to be utterly unmoored to read that into Our Lady’s words.
 
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How is it uncharitable to tell someone that their beliefs is inconsistent with Catholic teachings? After all, Christians are told to help others understand their erroneous beliefs. Tolerance is good but many nowadays push it to the point where standards cease to exist.
And why is it that when someone points out something that is incorrect, that this is now considered to be the worst offence ever to be committed?
 
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FiveLinden said:
I cannot believe the uncharitable invective being directed at this person who expressed what I take to be her genuine religious beliefs. Sometimes I almost begin to believe that the Church has become tolerant and respectful of others. And then I see a thread like this. They are her beliefs! By all means argue against them. But personal abuse, dehumanising comments and plain nastiness is not (I understand) what Catholicism is meant to be about.
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She was not simply talking about her personal beliefs. She expressed a belief that the Catholic Church ought to worship Mary as a goddess while placing the Lord in a subordinate position and…well, she was objectively saying things that were not at all in touch with reality. It is not uncharitable to say that her differences go far beyond what a Catholic would merely find an incorrect interpretation of the deposit of faith. Her differences with the Church and her vision for the future of the Church are of an entirely different nature. Holding onto beliefs that are so far counter to reality is getting into the realm of an honest-to-goodness delusion.

I’m not diagnosing her, but I wouldn’t bank on her capacity to engage in a rational debate, either. She is that far beyond the pale.
 
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Sounds like she has had some bad experiences related to the Church, and rather than leaving she has decided to stick around and cause upset.

I wouldn’t bother much about it. Show her whatever charity you can muster. I know it must be hard.
 
By no means engage in any type of religious debate with her, by what you told she doesn’t want to be corrected nor will listen to any argument you bring.
If you insists she will probably accuse you of harassment and make you lose your job.
The best thing you can do is pray for her and do some reparation in honor of Christ and Our Lady.
The heresies she spewed are truly demonic.
 
Regardless of the topic I run into this everyday. It can be about politics, history, technology, economic as well as theology. Quite a few people who are “educated” seem to approach a given subject only equipped with part of the data needed for an intelligent conversation. And to boot they their perspective is severed shifted from a fixed point of view. This closes them off from looking at the subject from any other point of view or even seeing the larger overview. Unfortunately it makes any discussion futile as they will just spin off down their own prospective since only they “know” what is valid. Let it go in one ear and out the other . . . you can pray for her but you are not going to make a logical argument she will accept as she has “tuned” you before you started. Pray for her. She needs as do we all.
 
No that woman rejected the Faith by saying such heretical nonsense.

She needs prayers badly
 
About a year ago, I was pretty close to being what this woman is (when it comes to the feminism. Not the heresies about Our Lady and Our Lord). I supported gay marriage, I was all about woman power, and with the exception of abortion, I supported every kind of feminist thing. One day I bumped into this guy on ( of all places) Instagram. During this time I was trying to return to the church after having been away for a long time and my heart was going through a deep struggle trying to hold onto all the junk it picked up when it was lost in this ugly world. Either way, though he turned out to be SSPX and maybe a little overboard on some things, it was ultimately an argument that I had with him that helped give me that final push to finally let go of all the lies I’d embraced over the years in the name of a false sense of justice and compassion. I was afraid of hurting gay friends, I was afraid of being hurt so hiding behind the angry feminist way of thinking was easier than facing the world with vulnerability, I was afraid of being rejected and hurt. Feminism is all about fear. There is no strength in it, there is no real point to it other than to hide and be angry. I know this encounter may have been frustrating, but don’t give up on conversations like these. It was because of a young guy who wasn’t afraid to slap me across the mind with the truth that I finally came to realize how far from Holy Mother Church I had fallen. Be kind, be gentle, and keep your cool. But be compelling, and never water down the truth. Pray for me and for this Lady please.
 
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