My Sister is Mormon....

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mfbukowski said:
Walking down a country road in Missippi, looking like our missionaries look-- White shirts, ties, black name badges-- don’t see a lot of folks walking down country roads like that in rural Missippi-- car veered toward them, missionaries of course dodged, but there was a fence on one side- grazed my son who was on the road side of the other missionary, and broke off the mirror of the car (which he still has a souvenir)- some bad bruises but he is 6’5 and tough, so thank God nothing worse!

Just a nice memory of how charitable some people can be. :rolleyes:
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Oh, yeah, I’m sure you, and he…and I for that matter, have some pretty wild stories we can tell about the 'best two years…(ok, for me it was 18 months) of our lives." (grin)
 
Ruthie said:
I see two problems with this.
  1. We do not hide any of our beliefs from beginners; they are all available to be studied. The Catechism spells it all out, and the “backup” documents are all widely available. We have no secret rituals or symbols we can’t talk about “outside the Temple.” Our Sacraments are public. If you see a symbol in a Catholic church, you (and anyone) can find out what it means. I don’t see how a person can make an informed decision to be a Mormon when he or she is not given **all **the information.
  2. I would not describe “a burning in the breast” as a way of “feeling at home.” In fact, when I feel such a thing, I usually take Maalox. “Feeling at home” means comfort, and being among people who have a common “language.” I would not feel at home with people who are hiding things from me.
Holy Trinity, One God, have mercy on us.

Ruthie
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Again, I’ve been a Mormon all of my life. I keep hearing this accusation. I don’t understand it. There isn’t any secret stuff going on…and what happens in the Temple isn’t secret. If it were, believe me, those who posted stuff on youtube would be in a great deal of trouble right now because of copyright infringement.

But we don’t sue people for that, at least in terms of the Temple ceremony. Shoot, WE put the text of the thing in the congressional record; it is public record, therefore.

What on earth do you think is so flamin’ secret?
 
dianaiad said:
Again, I’ve been a Mormon all of my life. I keep hearing this accusation. I don’t understand it. There isn’t any secret stuff going on…and what happens in the Temple isn’t secret. If it were, believe me, those who posted stuff on youtube would be in a great deal of trouble right now because of copyright infringement.

But we don’t sue people for that, at least in terms of the Temple ceremony. Shoot, WE put the text of the thing in the congressional record; it is public record, therefore.

What on earth do you think is so flamin’ secret?
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What planet do you live on? Of course the LDS Church is suing based on copyright infringement.

One has to wonder if they put a patent on the LDS Church temple ceremony. Just as they have sued to the have the Church Handbook of Instructions removed from the internet.

Also, you know very well that if an investigator who is being taught about mormonism asks about your temple ceremony, you are not going answer them.

I asked about it when I was still LDS and my bishop wouldn’t tell me anything. This was long before the internet was around, so no, there was no other resource for me to go to.

The LDS Church is not open about all of its beliefs. The internet pushes at this secrecy, which the LDS Church is NOT open to.
 
dianaiad said:
Again, I’ve been a Mormon all of my life. I keep hearing this accusation. I don’t understand it. There isn’t any secret stuff going on…and what happens in the Temple isn’t secret. If it were, believe me, those who posted stuff on youtube would be in a great deal of trouble right now because of copyright infringement.

But we don’t sue people for that, at least in terms of the Temple ceremony. Shoot, WE put the text of the thing in the congressional record; it is public record, therefore.

What on earth do you think is so flamin’ secret?
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Here’s a secret I’d like answered.

How did Joseph Smith write the book of Mormon from looking at a rock in his hat?
 
dianaiad said:
Well, one person’s ‘scam’ is another person’s deeply held religious beliefs. The difference, I am finding, is whether that belief system is being described by the believer–or by a disparager.

(shrug) you do what you want to do.
I’m just saying that any convert to my faith who wants to bare the secrets and problems with the one that they left had better not try to talk to me about it. I won’t listen.

More importantly, anybody with any sense who, having heard what a disaffected member of a faith had to say, would go to a true believing member of that other faith to get the real story. That could be counterproductive, if your aim is to destroy/discredit or other wise harm it.
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so apply that reasoning to scientology, JWs or something similar. there are groups that simply don’t tell the truth. either because they don’t know or they choose to deceive. some rationalize the deceit but it doesn’t change what it is. would you believe a satanist or a former satanist now mormon to best inform mormons who were being proselyted by satanists? there are absolutes. there is truth in religion ad it isn’t subjective. would you tell catholics who were visitng your church that the catholic church is the one church jesus established and protected all along? or would you stick with JS-History that all other churches are wrong, the creeds an ABOMINATION and all those who profess them corrupt? my aim is to prevent mormon missionaries from deceiving catholics, inform curious catholics and speak about catholicism to curious mormons in terms they understand.
 
mfbukowski said:
Walking down a country road in Missippi, looking like our missionaries look-- White shirts, ties, black name badges-- don’t see a lot of folks walking down country roads like that in rural Missippi-- car veered toward them, missionaries of course dodged, but there was a fence on one side- grazed my son who was on the road side of the other missionary, and broke off the mirror of the car (which he still has a souvenir)- some bad bruises but he is 6’5 and tough, so thank God nothing worse!

Just a nice memory of how charitable some people can be. :rolleyes:
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i’ve experienced far worse as a mormon but thankfully that didn’t prevent me from becoming catholic. once again persecution does not equal truth
 
mfbukowski said:
Well, for the record you are wrong but I won’t discuss our meanings of these symbols, since they are related to temple worship. The Chi Rho is related to our symbols, the anchor, the wheel, the fish, and so is the star of David. But I have studied masonry fairly extensively and the meanings are NOT the same.

But you probably will not believe me, and I will not go into it further, so there is no point on carrying on this particular discussion. After you become Mormon again we can meet in a temple somewhere and I will show you what you missed the first time around. 😛

Both Manly Hall and Albert Pike and many others believe masonry goes back to Solomon’s temple. It is my opinion that it was there an apostate understanding of the symbols was conveyed to masonry. That’s all folks!
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i am not wrong. the compass and square are pretty much the same.i have never seen a mormon temple with a chi rho, anchor or fish. your comments are irrelevant as you claim that you will not discuss this…then why did you respond? (oh yeah to say i’m wrong…with no supporting facts)
 
dianaiad said:
People who convert to Mormonism are discouraged rather strongly from bad mouthing their previous belief systems. You will not, for instance, find a “Maze of Catholicism” published by any LDS publisher, official or non.

Seems to me that finding the truth is sufficient. If you have to keep justifying your decision to leave a belief system for a different one over and above “Hey, THIS is truth!!! I want THIS!!” then there is a major problem with your decision making process.
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I put the “The Great Apostasy” by your James Talmage in the category of bad mouthing.

And I know of more than a few former Catholics who are now Mormon who do not disguise their hate for their former faith.
 
dianaiad said:
While I will not discuss what happens in the Temple with you or anybody else outside Temple walls (and neither will any other Temple worthy Mormon
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dianaiad said:
It is simply that I have promised not to discuss things that are considered extremely sacred. I would keep that promise even if I left the church–because even if I then didn’t believe it was sacred to ME, I would remember that it is sacred to others.
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dianaiad said:
There isn’t any secret stuff going on…and what happens in the Temple isn’t secret.
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Sacred does not mean secret.
dianaballein said:
We are not allowed to set foot in the Temple. We are not Mormon.
I would never refuse a Mormon entrance into a Catholic Church.
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dianaiad said:
Oh, yeah, I’m sure you, and he…and I for that matter, have some pretty wild stories we can tell about the 'best two years…(ok, for me it was 18 months) of our lives." (grin)
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Actually, I joined at age 30 so I missed out! 😦 But I do a lot of church work now, so I’m making up for it. 😉
 
dianaiad said:
Why “brave?”

He was in absolutely no danger of his life or his reputation. We don’t do that sort of thing, y’know. He stood up in front of people whose good opinions he wanted, and nothing will do that more quickly in a church that is anti anything than to tell an ‘escape’ story, especially if he could throw some ‘juicy’ secrets in there. I’m certain that he was celebrated, slapped upon the back, hugged and supported all over the place.

“Brave?”

(snort)

Not even a little bit. The most the church would do to him is excommunicate him, and he already took care of that himself. His family and friends might be a little PO’d, but then one does tend to feel betrayed when one, y’know, actually IS.

He left us and went elsewhere. That’s fine; his choice, his faith. That he betrayed promises he made in a place that he thought was sacred when he made them? That he betrayed promises that he KNEW his family, friends and former associated still think are sacred? That he betrayed promises that he had no need to betray in order to continue on in his new faith?

No. That’s not bravery. There was no courage required there. Hatred, perhaps, resentment, a wish to be accepted and perhaps lionized, yep.

but not bravery.

In case you haven’t figured it out yet, I disapprove strongly of those who do this sort of thing. To any faith.
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You’re opinion. Truth is the truth.
 
mfbukowski said:
Do Catholics think that “feeling as if I was in the right place” is a good reason to join their church? I thought they didn’t think that way.
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All are welcome who were lost. Not everyone is born into a religion. What a silly thing to say…you are making Catholics out to be hard hard people and I have found anything but that.
 
Ruthie said:
I see two problems with this.
  1. We do not hide any of our beliefs from beginners; they are all available to be studied. The Catechism spells it all out, and the “backup” documents are all widely available. We have no secret rituals or symbols we can’t talk about “outside the Temple.” Our Sacraments are public. If you see a symbol in a Catholic church, you (and anyone) can find out what it means. I don’t see how a person can make an informed decision to be a Mormon when he or she is not given **all **the information.
  2. I would not describe “a burning in the breast” as a way of “feeling at home.” In fact, when I feel such a thing, I usually take Maalox. “Feeling at home” means comfort, and being among people who have a common “language.” I would not feel at home with people who are hiding things from me.
Holy Trinity, One God, have mercy on us.

Ruthie
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AMEN RUTHIE!! Do you see why I came to Mass and never left? I love Catholicism.
 
mfbukowski said:
Well I know what you are saying but I love your phrasing. Slightly ambiguous from my side of the fence.

Let me change one word of your post:

This is exactly what many convert missionaries do all the time! 😛
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one cannot join mormonism and become Christian.mormons aren’t christian
 
mfbukowski said:
discussion. After you become Mormon again we can meet in a temple somewhere and I will show you what you missed the first time around. 😛
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that could never happen now that i have the fullness of the gospel. BTW i think i understand the LDs temple quite well as i was a veil worker before i left.
mfbukowski said:
Both Manly Hall and Albert Pike and many others believe masonry goes back to Solomon’s temple. It is my opinion that it was there an apostate understanding of the symbols was conveyed to masonry. That’s all folks!
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of course hall and pike claim that. history shows otherwise. the masons are a relatively modern invention that tries to claim a link to the knights templar. this of course is not only unsupported by facts but presents them with the contradiction of then being catholic. the stories of the templars have grown over the years into “national treasure” type tales with secret knowledge and “mysteries” of solomon. some kabbalists also like to claim mystical rites in solomons temple.

the BIBLE however shows that the temple wasn’t secret at all. we can read all about the various rituals performed there in detail. it was nothing like the mormon ceremony.
 
dianaballein said:
All are welcome who were lost. Not everyone is born into a religion. What a silly thing to say…you are making Catholics out to be hard hard people and I have found anything but that.
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Historically we have had a difference of opinion here regarding the Mormon concept of a “testimony” which means that God reveals to you the truth of his church. Catholics here have denied that this is how it is done. So it appeared that a catholic was affirming what a Mormon testimony was. I hope tha tclarifies
 
dianaballein said:
Why did you join at age 30? Did you feel as if you were in the right place for you?
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The short answer is “yes”. I had a profound spiritual experience after I learned and studied the church. I had been looking for a church for 20 years and found it.
 
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