My vocation to priesthood is being slightly blocked. Need insights on this matter

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And a final note on that post; I’m quite surprised at the amount of “test your obedience” posts I have received. While I do value the responses (and believe me, I am taking every one of them to heart), I am also caught between another world; that of the Bible and God.

Yes, completing my degree would test my obedience and patience. Furthermore, it would test my dedication to God seeing as I will need to look a normal life in the eye and still give it up, even though I could easily go out and pursue it. However, does not the passage of Jesus in the dessert have a say in this?

“You shall not put the Lord your God to the test!”. The theme of such posts are saying that I should walk on coal and demand that God protects my feet from burning. Why not just avoid the coal in the first place (if I can)? If God wants me to walk on them, He’l demand it, and He’l place them as a barrier to my only way forward. However, the idea of going out of my way, performing a U-turn and walking on the coal smells of blatant testing of God.
 
Father David Reddy grew up in Buffalo, New York surrounded by friends and family, and decided he’d become a diocesan priest … so that he could live out his vocation surrounded by friends and family. You have to understand that Father David loved people, loved to laugh, loved to entertain people with card tricks … Simply put, he was the life of the party.

Now God had other plans for Father David. Under obedience, he was ordered to serve as a missionary priest on Easter Island … which is located smack dab out in the middle of nowhere. Which roughly translates to way, way out in the Pacific Ocean, hundreds of miles off the coast of Chile. Which meant not only saying good-bye to friends and family, but learning Spanish and going off to live pretty much as an exile … He would for many years find himself the ONLY priest on Easter Island.

Easter Island is so remote that once upon a time Father David witnessed a hero’s welcome being given to a losing soccer team that had gone to the mainland to play a game there. Stunned, the priest asked what all the happy cheering was about since the Easter Island team had lost. The answer came, “This is the first time anyone has left the island … and then returned!”

Father David continued performing card tricks, now in Spanish, as part of his way of introducing himself to islanders and preaching the gospel. He also knew Morse Code and set up a ham radio station to keep in touch with the outside world as well as to help relay emergency messages … (remember, this is well before the internet was invented).

Father David was a long-time friend of my father’s side of the family. Once every several years he was allowed to return to the States to visit. He always seemed like one of the most peaceful, cheerful priests I knew, and with a certain strength besides.

So my vote goes to Obedience!

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Domiy, you asked for our insights and we are giving them. However, do you really want them? You seem to be fighting what everyone is saying.

I used to think I had a vocation to be a nun. I even talked to a sister about it. However, I developed some health problems and now I am getting older (45). It seems that God is leading me in another direction.

As someone said, it’s not what we want, but what God wants.
 
And a final note on that post; I’m quite surprised at the amount of “test your obedience” posts I have received. While I do value the responses (and believe me, I am taking every one of them to heart), I am also caught between another world; that of the Bible and God.

Yes, completing my degree would test my obedience and patience. Furthermore, it would test my dedication to God seeing as I will need to look a normal life in the eye and still give it up, even though I could easily go out and pursue it. However, does not the passage of Jesus in the dessert have a say in this?

“You shall not put the Lord your God to the test!”. The theme of such posts are saying that I should walk on coal and demand that God protects my feet from burning. Why not just avoid the coal in the first place (if I can)? If God wants me to walk on them, He’l demand it, and He’l place them as a barrier to my only way forward. However, the idea of going out of my way, performing a U-turn and walking on the coal smells of blatant testing of God.
You’ve got this all wrong. You are testing God by ignoring the counsel of your spiritual director and presuming that you know best how to form yourself into a priest. More than lust, greed, or any such sin related to the completion of your degree, I fear you are inclined toward pride. Obedience is a virtue that you need to learn and practice for its own sake throughout your life, not a hurdle to get past before you can get to serving the Lord the way you think is best. I also sense that you are naive with regard to what your life is actually going to be like as a priest. And if I sense this, I have no doubt that your spiritual director does as well.
 
Domiy, you asked for our insights and we are giving them. However, do you really want them? You seem to be fighting what everyone is saying.

I used to think I had a vocation to be a nun. I even talked to a sister about it. However, I developed some health problems and now I am getting older (45). It seems that God is leading me in another direction.

As someone said, it’s not what we want, but what God wants.
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Thanks for the link. However, I’m not eligible for this (I looked into it). I might consider discerning whether I have a vocation to a third order or secular institute.
I’m glad you at least looked into it. I know a lot of women in a situation similar to yours who have never even heard of it. I will pray for you tonight.
 
Yes, I do anticipate a difference seeing as I’d be in the seminary and I’d be aware that praying and scripture would only benefit my studies, and perhaps even overlap them (as opposed to studying something completely opposite). And with prayers and daily mass scheduled in, I’d have a burning passion to further strengthen my relationship with God and read scripture, as I do nowadays after attending mass.
Many people do believe there will be a difference, and for the first few months there usually is a great zeal.

As with other vocations, that is called the Honeymoon stage. School is easy for the first few months, you’re getting use to things and everything is exciting. It’s after the first little while that you start to encounter midterms, term papers, late nights and early mornings. You’re going to encounter the same busy times that you are having now.

What I’m saying is that your attitudes and habits in the seminary are going to reflect your attitudes and habits now. It’s analogous (not the same, but similar in nature) to what we say about chastity: If you are unchaste before marriage then you will probably continue to be unchaste within marriage because marriage is not something that magically fixes chastity.

You can’t expect that you can say “once I’m in seminary my prayer life will be all fixed and good” because it simply doesn’t work like that. What I’m saying is that you’re going to experience the same stressors that you are experiencing now. How you respond to such stressors is by habit, that’s just the way we work. You have to work to develop the good habits now, because if you don’t work to develop good habits then habits will form anyways, and they won’t be good ones.
 
I believe this is the way God has created me, an “eunuch from the womb” like Jesus would put it.
Actually, I think the phrase you’re looking for is “eunuch for the sake of the kingdom”; a “eunuch from the womb” is someone who was born, physically, as a eunuch. 😉
I’m not suited to working
Hmm. Don’t let your seminary rector hear that! 😉
I’m sure you can see where I’m going with the latter; it’s Chinese compared to my priesthood vocation.
Yet, diocesan priests are called to be in the world but not of it. How can you separate the two?
Yes, I do anticipate a difference seeing as I’d be in the seminary and I’d be aware that praying and scripture would only benefit my studies, and perhaps even overlap them (as opposed to studying something completely opposite).
Not so much ‘overlap’ as ‘compete for your limited time’… :sad_yes:
And with prayers and daily mass scheduled in, I’d have a burning passion to further strengthen my relationship with God and read scripture, as I do nowadays after attending mass.
OK, but once you leave seminary, it won’t be ‘scheduled in’ – you’ll need to schedule it in, yourself. And, you won’t have the time to sit around after Mass and read: chances are, if you’re praying in the church, someone will come up and interrupt you anyway! Putting in the time now, and developing those habits, will only help you down the road…
“You shall not put the Lord your God to the test!”. The theme of such posts are saying that I should walk on coal and demand that God protects my feet from burning.
No… the theme isn’t that you should put God to the test; rather, you should put your personal idea of a vocation to the test. Do you want to get into a proof-texting competition? Ok, then: I see your Deuteronomy 6:16, and raise you Acts 5:38-39 – if your vocation is from man, then it will be destroyed, but if from God, then it will not be able to be destroyed. 😃
Moreover, if I have a degree and a decent-paying job waiting for me, I can only imagine it’d add to my temptations when things get tough and I start to miss the concept of nice things. However, lacking that degree and prospect of easily getting a job, I feel I’d be motivated not to give up in the seminary, because in a way, it’s all I have, thus I’d dedicate my entire life to it.
Of all you’ve said, this bothers me the most. What you’re saying is that, if you have better prospects, you’d take advantage of them over serving God; that is, unless God is the only viable option you have, you wouldn’t choose Him. Hmm… that doesn’t good… 😦
 
What I’m saying is that your attitudes and habits in the seminary are going to reflect your attitudes and habits now. It’s analogous (not the same, but similar in nature) to what we say about chastity: If you are unchaste before marriage then you will probably continue to be unchaste within marriage because marriage is not something that magically fixes chastity.

You can’t expect that you can say “once I’m in seminary my prayer life will be all fixed and good” because it simply doesn’t work like that. What I’m saying is that you’re going to experience the same stressors that you are experiencing now. How you respond to such stressors is by habit, that’s just the way we work. You have to work to develop the good habits now, because if you don’t work to develop good habits then habits will form anyways, and they won’t be good ones.
Maybe I should re-clarify that I have been to University before. As I said, I’m the near the end of my course; I’ve done most of the hard bits, I’ve endured sleepless nights of having to balance studies, work and a relationship all at once. I’ve been there, and I’ve conquered that. Life experiences like these come from learning and failing, they don’t come from attaining a certificate of completion. The case you’re making would perhaps be a lot more suitable in a debate of whether somebody should go into a University to study in the first place before going straight into the seminary. As I said, I’ve done the miles (4 years, to be exact). I’ve gained the experience of stress and time and management, trust me. This is simply a matter of necessity in taking those lost couple of extra miles in the other direction. I’ve walked on the ice and gotten what I need, why risk breaking it to go an extra mile when there’s hardly anything more you can learn?

OK, but once you leave seminary, it won’t be ‘scheduled in’ – you’ll need to schedule it in, yourself. And, you won’t have the time to sit around after Mass and read: chances are, if you’re praying in the church, someone will come up and interrupt you anyway! Putting in the time now, and developing those habits, will only help you down the road…

As I said, I’ve already developed them.

I don’t mean to raise my head up high here, but I’ve been through the miles (as said previously above). I went from the sick child fighting for life, to my mother promising to give me up to priesthood if I survive, to the hard-working labourer man, to the studying prospective businessman, to the 2 year relationship with a girl, to the ugly breakup due to discernment, to the depression, to the sickness, to the loneliness, to the denial and rejection and anger at God, to the depths of sin and struggle of lust, to the trail back to healing, to the new-found faith, to the mercy and comfort of God, to the transformed celibate lifestyle in Christ, to the helping of others, to the unbreakable faith centered completely around God and a reliance on Him.

Yes, I’ve been there before. It is through these things that Christ has called me to serve Him. I feel quite annoyed (yet still loving of you, my dear brother) that you would insist none of these life event matter because I want to follow Christ sooner rather than waiting another year doing something completely unrelated. Believe me, I know the vale of obedience. I’ve had God’s hand come up against my weak body and felt His blow. I’ve heard His mighty voice challenging my pride. I know what it feels like to be spiritually dry even in a state of purity and grace. I know what it feels like to suffer, and then re catch your breathe, and then have another blow hit you.

Of all you’ve said, this bothers me the most. What you’re saying is that, if you have better prospects, you’d take advantage of them over serving God; that is, unless God is the only viable option you have, you wouldn’t choose Him. Hmm… that doesn’t good…

Oh no, not quite. As I said, every man has his limits. What’s being said here is that if I choose not to finish my degree, I may be tempted to walk away from the seminary when things get tough as well. I simply applied the same argument but with the reverse action (ie, actually finishing my degree) merely to show that whatever I do, I’d be faced with temptation either way. Temptation is inescapable. Females populate the earth with revealing clothes, money can buy a lot of great material things, and holding your head up in pride sure does feel good. Temptation everywhere! However, what I’m trying to say is that despite that, I will not give in. I will not let myself give up. I will take vows of chastity, poverty and humility despite all those things. Completing an unrelated degree will make no difference.
 
As someone posted earlier you need a college degree before the major seminary. You say you are almost finished so why not stick it out. You will probably still need theology and philosophy credits. If you don’t finish your degree you may need to start over or complete your bachelors which might take longer than aid you just finish now and take theology and philosophy prerequisites as a seminarian. What if God forbid you find you are not suited for the priesthood then at least you have a degree to fall back on.
 
OK, but once you leave seminary, it won’t be ‘scheduled in’ – you’ll need to schedule it in, yourself. And, you won’t have the time to sit around after Mass and read: chances are, if you’re praying in the church, someone will come up and interrupt you anyway! Putting in the time now, and developing those habits, will only help you down the road…

As I said, I’ve already developed them.
Yes, you have said that; however, you’ve also said that you fear losing them if you go back to uni to finish your degree. You know your situation better than any of us, but that sure sounds like habits that are “in development” rather than “already developed”… 🤷
Yes, I’ve been there before. It is through these things that Christ has called me to serve Him.
It is through these things that you are beginning to discern whether Christ has called you to the priesthood. (Sorry… it’s one of my pet peeves: when a person who hasn’t yet applied for or entered seminary declares “I’ve discerned a vocation!”, that’s normally the clearest sign that his discernment isn’t yet complete. 😉
I feel quite annoyed (yet still loving of you, my dear brother) that you would insist none of these life event matter because I want to follow Christ sooner rather than waiting another year doing something completely unrelated.
No, I’m not saying that they don’t matter – I’m just saying that you haven’t yet begun your discernment, if your discernment to date has been unilateral (i.e., the Church hasn’t yet weighed in on whether you’re called to the priesthood).
Temptation everywhere! However, what I’m trying to say is that despite that, I will not give in. I will not let myself give up. I will take vows of chastity, poverty and humility despite all those things.
But, nevertheless, I think it’s important to note that, once a person becomes a priest, it’s not as if temptation flees from him. So, if I’m reading you correctly, and since you say you fear temptation, I just want you to walk into it with your eyes wide open: there are graces in ordination, but removal of temptation isn’t one of them. If anything, it would seem that the Enemy tempts priests more strongly, since they’re a more ‘valuable target’ for him…
Completing an unrelated degree will make no difference.
🤷 if you say so; but the opinion around here – which you asked for, by the way (!) – seems strongly to tend to the opposite conclusion…
 
Perhaps I should clarify (if it makes a difference) that I live in Australia and would likely either study here or move abroad into Europe to study my priesthood.

I think that may bypass the ‘requirement’ of a bachelor degree cited to enter the seminary. From what my priest and many others have told, there are no formal prerequisites to go into the seminary for anyone strongly willing to go in.

A quick internet search yielded many results citing “In the United States, a bachelor degree of study is required first”. This may be a regional thing or something, I’m not sure. But as I said, my SD simply insisted that I complete my course first just for the background experience. If it were a formal requirement, I’m sure he would’ve said so. He ended up saying later on that “well, in the instance that you weren’t to finish, it’s not like it’s a requirement to go into priesthood”. So that may clear a few things up.
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Perhaps I should clarify (if it makes a difference) that I live in Australia and would likely either study here or move abroad into Europe to study my priesthood.

I think that may bypass the ‘requirement’ of a bachelor degree cited to enter the seminary. From what my priest and many others have told, there are no formal prerequisites to go into the seminary for anyone strongly willing to go in.

A quick internet search yielded many results citing “In the United States, a bachelor degree of study is required first”. This may be a regional thing or something, I’m not sure. But as I said, my SD simply insisted that I complete my course first just for the background experience. If it were a formal requirement, I’m sure he would’ve said so. He ended up saying later on that “well, in the instance that you weren’t to finish, it’s not like it’s a requirement to go into priesthood”. So that may clear a few things up.
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I think that was already clear to everybody and changes nobody’s opinion. It certainly doesn’t change mine.
 
I think that may bypass the ‘requirement’ of a bachelor degree cited to enter the seminary.
No, it’s not an entry requirement; however, it should have a bearing on the type of formation program upon which you will embark. In the States, definitely. Since the USCCB’s PPF is approved by Rome, I have a hard time believing that that an undergraduate degree is not required, wherever you go. That being the case, the situation of walking into seminary, bachelor’s degree in hand, would only help you.
If it were a formal requirement, I’m sure he would’ve said so. He ended up saying later on that “well, in the instance that you weren’t to finish, it’s not like it’s a requirement to go into priesthood”. So that may clear a few things up.
Right. It’s not like a bachelor’s in business is required for ordination. However, isn’t your spiritual director telling you that it will be helpful (if not for direct use, then for meeting the requirement of having a bachelor’s degree; and if not for that reason, then at the very least for the evidence that you have shown that you can successfully complete a college degree)?
 
A bachelors degree or equivalent is required for seminary study in Australia and Europe a well as the US.

In my opinion the OP has a lot of growing up to do before he’s ready for seminary.
 
A bachelors degree or equivalent is required for seminary study in Australia and Europe a well as the US.

In my opinion the OP has a lot of growing up to do before he’s ready for seminary.
I find that very contrary to the flow I wanted this thread to have. Resorting to insults based on your own opinion is quite extreme. It’s prideful for you to think that any opinion besides yours is worthy or correct.

Again, you’ll have to excuse. Priesthood has been something I’ve discerned for a long time, and coming from a culture where the Franciscan order is quite common, I was looking into it as well. I read the books and “rules” of St Francis, they stressed poverty more than anything else. Chastity and humility are the other vows, but they seem secondary. Again, the primary focus is on poverty. If one is willing to give up everything, including the very clothes on his back to help the poor, then I’d be skeptical in saying that they’re not suited to become a priest because they don’t meet some arbitrary criteria developed by the modern world.

In fact, St Francis himself, who the order was named after, was not even an ordained priest. If anything, that inspires me even more. I really want to become a priest because it sounds like the perfect way for me to thank and serve God with what He has given me, but if I’m to give up my personal values and calling to God based on an arbitrary criteria which I’m sure Jesus Himself wouldn’t have much to say about, then I’d be happy to apply my skills and passion elsewhere inside the Church; perhaps as a Franciscan friar.
 
People are encouraging you to finish it because they care about you. This forum has people from across the world and it is your advantage to listen to them especially considering in this case, they are speaking common sense. My local bishop has his degree and possibly his master’s in business therefore if the degree matters, for him; it matters for you as well. These days education is a gift. If you have a chance to go to university, it’s important to finish it before you take the next step. You never know how God will later use your degree in business. God’s plans are greater than you think and it’s important to stay open. If your spiritual director is telling you to finish your program, then that is what you should do. When men become priests one of the things they agree to is complete obedience to the church. If you can’t handle obeying your spiritual director in this task, he may question what else you will disobey. Remember you are on your way into seminary, you aren’t in yet.
 
If one is willing to give up everything, including the very clothes on his back to help the poor, then I’d be skeptical in saying that they’re not suited to become a priest because they don’t meet some arbitrary criteria developed by the modern world.
You’re not willing to give up your pride. You believe that you know better than anyone else what being a Franciscan and a priest requires, even though you are neither a Franciscan nor a priest.
 
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