My wife do not care about NFP

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Thank you for sharing you experience. My situation is not that bad…
My wife would not never talk about divorce and she loves Catholic Church just afraid of following it yet. It is too big step for her so please pray for her. I hope she will be catholic and wont take like 4 years.

I will pray for you. If you have children you have too much responsibility so do not feel that bad about it. You try your best. As much as I know Catholic Church do not allow or even recognize divorce but you can live seperate if situation requires but since you have children I do not think it will be God’s will… They need a family.
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I think the key is to seek out large faithful catholic families and ask them how is it that they manage. I think you will probably find that they are completely open to God’s will. And this is reflected in the fact that they will not touch contraception because it intrinsically distorts ones relationship with God from one of dependence on him, to one where he is no longer necessarily present. Please note in all this that even NFP can be misused and thus have the same result as contraception.

I will keep you in my prayers

God Bless
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Thank you all for past responses…

Situation is updtated.

I gave up on the matter… After 2-3 months she told me she wants to get baptised! And taking cathecumen leasons!!! Comes to church for masses and loving it.

Problem is she still gets stressed out when I bring up the subject…
I do not want to push the matter further and make her stressed out of being catholic and quit it completly…

I think I will stop confession (it is not a real confession anywayz even I regret it I know I will do it again), stop taking Eucharist and just pray about it. I think God will change her heart again as He already started doing it…

What do you think… I do not think abstaining from sex is a good idea…

And I am really not sure if Pope Jonh Paul II knew it would put such pressure on otherwise good and devout families…
 
Hi AugustinusD,

My husband and I practice NFP and we took a wonderful class from the Couple to Couple League. Even though we were very nervous and hesitant to start NFP, the Couple to Couple League made us feel very comfortable and showed us how the sympto-thermal method is 99 percent effective and can do wonders for your marriage.

Do you think your wife would be willing to just go to a class with you? It could be a noncommitted “fact-finding mission” on her part, and she could be exposed to the method without having to agree to it. The League gives courses that meet once a month for three months. The League also teaches many non-Catholics. A recent Facebook post of their cited that about 40 percent of the people that take their classes are non-Catholics.

The sympto-thermal method is highly effective because it uses mucus signs and temperature and cervix signs as well. I find this to be very helpful because I have a hard time reading my mucus signs. Since there are three signs that are being monitored, you have several data points in order to figure stuff out.

For us, we work as a team in figuring out my charts. I am responsible for recording my signs and my husband is responsible for figuring out when I’ve ovulated according to my recordings and when we should abstain and such. The method seems to naturally fall into a teamwork oriented method, we’ve found 👍

It won’t hurt just to take a class, and you could point out that to be fair to you, she ought hold her judgment until she learns more deeply about the method. The effectiveness and science behind the method might very well change her mind!

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Hi SubjectVerb,

Thank you for your response.

It would be really good but ı live in Turkey and since Islam allows contraception and 99% of the population is Islam I do not think we can find a place that will teach us NFP.

We have to learn it from Web… I asked her to even watch one of the videos in youtube describes what is BOM method and how to do it… She wasnt up for it…

If we had a medical center giving lessons she may be up for it.

And I will certainly work with her if she agreed on it, I would do anything to live Godly life with my dear wife and make her happy.
 
What saddens me is I spent my whole life searching for God…

He found me, I took 2 years of RCIA lessons to get baptised.

Now I can not take Holy Eucharist and if I die in a car accident, I am destined for hell…

It is like a joke I was going to hell before all the hassle anyways nothing changed…
 
What saddens me is I spent my whole life searching for God…

He found me, I took 2 years of RCIA lessons to get baptised.

Now I can not take Holy Eucharist and if I die in a car accident, I am destined for hell…

It is like a joke I was going to hell before all the hassle anyways nothing changed…
The Couple to Couple League has a home study course: ccli.org/productsservices/nfp-instruction/home-study-course.php.

Also, if you are in a valid marriage, are baptized, and have received your first communion, you can continue receiving the Eucharist as long as you have made clear to your wife that you disagree with her use of contraception.

Please continue going to Confession - you are heartily sorry that your wife is using contraception and that you are doing all that you can to lead her towards aligning herself with Church teaching. You cannot change her mind, but as you have found, praying for her and encouraging her to learn more about the church goes a long way. For what it’s worth, giving up contraception and learning NFP was the last struggle my husband and I overcame on our journey back to the church.

It’s a difficult teaching, especially since there is so much misinformation out there about how effective the sympto-thermal method is, but really it’s completely supported by science and is so much more empowering for women than just taking a pill that suppresses our fertility (and often fails!). You aren’t alone in Turkey as an want-to-be NFP-er in a land of contraceptors. My husband and I are the only ones in our families that follow church teaching on this matter, and we only recently began making friends with people that practice NFP (through our church group :D) In the U.S. many many Catholics use contraceptives against church teaching, and Protestant Christian churches even encourage the use of them. Our church is experiencing a rebirth, so we are hopeful that more discover the wonder of working with God’s design for our fertility instead of against it.

Remember that grave sin requires grave matter, full knowledge of the gravity of the action, and full and free consent to the action. You are not fully and freely consenting to your wife taking contraception, so you are not mortally sinning. Frequent confession of your situation would be helpful though to keep your mind as ease.
 
Dear SubjectVerb,

Thank you so much for information.
I missed the important part I guess… My wife do not use the pill. She knows it is bad for her…

Funny part is we use withdrawal method (which is my action) which is not effective compared to NFP…
But devil also have plans for us so… Go figure…

Thanks again… I never hoped she will get baptised but prayed for it… Maybe she will come in terms with this. Please pray for us.
 
Can your wife say WHY she is so unwilling to consider NFP? What is her concern?
 
Can your wife say WHY she is so unwilling to consider NFP? What is her concern?
No she just looks somewhere else and try to ignore the subject.

We have no problem in communication on any other subject.
 
No she just looks somewhere else and try to ignore the subject.

We have no problem in communication on any other subject.
I guess that’s an unacceptable response. She owes you an answer on why she will not discuss the subject.
 
To be honest after we got married lots of bad things happened. Finance gone all bad, we moved 3 times in one year, her mother had serious health problems. She got depressed and I feel that I can not be demanding or pushing right now.

I dunno if I have to be more strict as a husband but I feel I have to be loving and understanding for a period of time till she starts feeling ok in general.
 
I understand that she is going through a fragile time and this may not be the best time for her to take on NFP. Perhaps give it a rest for a while so that she can come around to it on her own time? It seems like she might be intimidated by the whole thing (and it can seem quite overwhelming), but really, once you get the hang of it, it’s quite easy to do 🙂

Perhaps just leaving some literature around would help her. That way she will at least have the information about the method in an easy to learn format that she can read when she feels comfortable. You can also read it so that you are knowledgeable about it so you can explain that the method really isn’t as complicated as it may seem. You can buy the Couple to Couple Book directly off Amazon: amazon.com/Natural-Family-Planning%C2%AE-Student-Guide/dp/0926412302/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1389731449&sr=8-2&keywords=art+of+natural+family+planning It has a lot of practice charts, exercises, and it teaches everything you need to know to start practicing NFP.

You’re right that it is on you to stop practicing withdrawal; however, I would think that you and your wife can work on this issue gently and lovingly. As for Confession and Communion, I would talk to your priest. You are only required to receive the Eucharist once a year, so not receiving while you are praying and hoping for your wife to accept NFP would be the thing to do. You should still go to Confession, since this is a sin that you are working on and don’t want to be committing. I suggest praying to St. Monica for you and your wife. She answered my prayers concerning starting NFP (I was scared, too!). Praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament is always wonderful, too.

One more thing: have you talked to your wife about how much practicing withdrawal worries you about your soul? Maybe if she knew how much it upsets you and all of your feelings associated with it, than she might be more willing to learn about NFP. I would approach it like that, and let her know that this is not something that she has to do on her own. Like I said, my husband interprets my charts; I just record information 🙂

:blessyou:
 
SubjectVerb,

Thanks for your interest and positive attitude.
Today I talked with our priest (the one who gives RCIA lessons to her)…

He told me not to fall into despair it is already been too much on her, I should pray, and keep confessing and taking communion since those sacraments will help us to unite with God.

He told me I should leave the matter up to Mary for now and I will see miracles… Like I did with her will of baptism…

About confession he told me I feel sorry and regret anyways, these are hard times and my confession will be valid so I should take communion. But I did not understand something he told me regular confession will be enough if I have nothing else to confess and “it is not required every week” for this period I should be patient …What does that mean?? Maybe I understood it wrong? He did not had much time so I couldnt ask…

Well my hope about my and wifes soul is restored. I already told her about my comcern about our souls but it looks like she is not ready yet…

Thank you for all the sources you provided. I will show them when the time comes for now I will read it so we will be sharing the responsibility.
 
Are the two of you generally able to discuss sexual matters without her looking away? Looking away can be a sign of embarrassment. It is sometimes embarrassing to discuss the workings of the female body with a male. Perhaps the objection isn’t NFP, but the discussion of sexual matters or the discussion of her menstrual cycle. The reality is that when practicing NFP the husband is generally part of charting and very aware of his wife’s menstrual cycle, which can be very embarrassing for the woman. Is there a Catholic woman who uses NFP that could talk to her without embarrassing her?

Also, NFP can be confusing. Maybe she doesn’t truly understand how it works and is hesitant to begin using a method she is not sure how to use. Perhaps offer to continue using the withdrawl method while she learns NFP so that she has time to become comfortable with NFP before relying on it totally.
 
Are the two of you generally able to discuss sexual matters without her looking away? Looking away can be a sign of embarrassment. It is sometimes embarrassing to discuss the workings of the female body with a male. Perhaps the objection isn’t NFP, but the discussion of sexual matters or the discussion of her menstrual cycle. The reality is that when practicing NFP the husband is generally part of charting and very aware of his wife’s menstrual cycle, which can be very embarrassing for the woman. Is there a Catholic woman who uses NFP that could talk to her without embarrassing her?

Also, NFP can be confusing. Maybe she doesn’t truly understand how it works and is hesitant to begin using a method she is not sure how to use. Perhaps offer to continue using the withdrawl method while she learns NFP so that she has time to become comfortable with NFP before relying on it totally.
Nope we are the only young couple who “cares”. Our friends do not want to believe it is a mortal sin.

I do not know if she is embarrased… I do not think so.
In 2 months she will visit a gynocologist, because we want to have a baby next year and she wants everything is checked up.

I asked her maybe her doctor can teach us nfp, she told me “ok we will look into it”. But I fear doctor can lead her to ABC since we do not have Carholic doctors here… I will tell the doctor I do not like condom I do not think doctor will advice withdrawal anyways so…

We will see…
 
Nope we are the only young couple who “cares”. Our friends do not want to believe it is a mortal sin.

I do not know if she is embarrased… I do not think so.
In 2 months she will visit a gynocologist, because we want to have a baby next year and she wants everything is checked up.

I asked her maybe her doctor can teach us nfp, she told me “ok we will look into it”. But I fear doctor can lead her to ABC since we do not have Carholic doctors here… I will tell the doctor I do not like condom I do not think doctor will advice withdrawal anyways so…

We will see…
I do not know the situation in Turkey regarding Catholics, but here in the U.S. there are resources that direct people to Catholic obstetricians and gynecologists. If Catholic doctors do not openly proclaim their faith in your country perhaps you can ask your priest if he knows any Catholic doctors or if there is a list somewhere online or at the diocese offices. A Catholic doctor should be supportive of using NFP, but you might be able to find a non-Catholic doctor that is open minded and willing to help. If the doctor isn’t very familiar with NFP you could call the office, explain tot eh doctor that you want to use NFP, share the websites the other poster linked with the doctor and give the doctor time to research before your appointment.

It’s a very moving and beautiful thing that you and your wife are coming into the Church and trying to live by the teachings in a place where it is not easy. People like you are an inspiration.
 
Keeping in mind that I’m responding as a non-catholic, I think I may have some advice for you. Since it is your wife’s wish that contraception occur, she should be willing to take responsibility for it, rather than leading you to do something you believe to be sin. She has non-chemical options open to her, including a diaphragm or female condom (I would not suggest an IUD because of its possible abortifacient activity). Use of these would be her responsibility and when she becomes catholic, she would need to go to confession if she wanted to continue using them.

I believe she might reconsider her desire to contracept if the responsibility for doing so was hers and she had to regularly confess the action. It would also remove the burden of sin from you, and possibly open the dialogue on why she is bothered by NFP.

Good luck!
 
In 2 months she will visit a gynocologist, because we want to have a baby next year and she wants everything is checked up.
NFP is like the best thing EVER to achieve a pregnancy. The same signs you use to postpone a pregnancy are the ones you use to get pregnant. That is one of my husband’s favorite things about NFP - because we know exactly when I am fertile, when the time comes when we are ready for a baby, we will get pregnant more quickly. In fact, our NFP instructors told us about a couple that, until they started practicing NFP, had no idea that the wife only had 12 hours of fertility a cycle. If they hadn’t started NFP, they may have never figured this out and would have needlessly suffered through months and maybe years of trying to have a baby. The Couple to Couple book I recommended has a lot in it about trying to conceive. Little do many of my contracepting friends know that they reason they have so many issues getting pregnant is because they can’t determine when they are fertile or not! I ALWAYS know 👍

I think it’s wonderful that your priest is working with you in such a positive and gentle manner. Prayers really do work, and once your wife learns more and more about Church teaching, the Church’s views on contraception will be like pieces in a puzzle that will someday just fit into everything that she agrees with the church already (marriage, sanctity of life, trusting in God, and more). Everything will make sense, at least that is how it was for us. Understanding of the most difficult teachings come last, I think, because of all the grace that we seek and receive from God.

I would caution you against asking a secular OBGYN in help with NFP, however, since there are a ton that either don’t understand it, wrongly think that it is not effective, or are actively against it for some reason (remember, many of these doctors also support abortion). I would ask around for some recommendations of some Catholic doctors, since even if they don’t follow church teaching themselves, they might at least respect you and your wife’s decision to do so. I actually called the crisis pregnancy center that is associated with our church for recommendations of doctors that work with them. I figured that any doctor that works with them would not be against NFP. Although the doctor they recommended is not Catholic and doesn’t teach NFP, she does embrace the spiritual and emotional elements of fertility and pregnancy, so she totally embraces my religious reasons and knows that the method is effective.

One last thing, is there any reason she could be working on NFP while you continue to practice withdrawal? The two things aren’t incompatible, after all, and it might ease her mind as she learns more about it. We had a transition period, too, and kind of eased into going “live.”
 
Dear SubjectVerb,
Can we pracrtice withdrawal while we try to do the charting?
I heard it makes charting uneffective and wrong? Or was it bad only for Billings Method?

If it does not interfere charting then I can convince her to start charting :)))
We will learn it from web and proceed.

I am going to Rome and hopefully a Papal Mass in Vatican this year. I would really like to be mortal sin frew for it :)))
 
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