Myths and fairy tales ?

[grannymh]

Shall I assume there are no university science departments where you come from? I know there are some in Missouri, for I have friends who teach at Washington University and Saint Louis University (Catholic). Neither institution has a Department of Young Earth Biology or a Department of Literal Biblical Interpretation.

I assume that the president, administration, and faculty members, of the two world class universities in St. Louis Missouri, know the difference between a science department, philosophy department or religious studies department and the individual interpretation of scientific theories and the individual interpretation of Scripture made by others.

Regarding the OP question about teaching myths and fairy tales–that would be a question of integrity and the purpose of an individual course. A long-ago professor in St. Louis, Missouri, was noted for his ability to teach students the difference between the reality in philosophy and scripture and various interpretations including the accusation of fairy tales. His defense of Divine Revelation was unbeatable. Too bad he is dead.

Blessings,
granny

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[StAnastasia]

I assume that the president, administration, and faculty members, of the two world class universities in St. Louis Missouri, know the difference between a science department, philosophy department or religious studies department and the individual interpretation of scientific theories and the individual interpretation of Scripture made by others.

I assume they do!

 

[StAnastasia]

Hi Moscati, Try one of Vernon J.McGee study books, from his radio show in the sixties. This is the 2nd book in the Series Can’t find the first book, in GGenesis 1-15, he tears up the theory of Evolution.

Why is J Vernon McGee – a man ignorant of science and long dead – relevant to this discussion?

 

[John_oxios]

Shall I assume there are no university science departments where you come from? I know there are some in Missouri, for I have friends who teach at Washington University and Saint Louis University (Catholic). Neither institution has a Department of Young Earth Biology or a Department of Literal Biblical Interpretation.

Allow me to start by saying I have enjoyed reading many of your posts, but,
Sorry, there you go again assuming, when you assume something and I accept it the saying goes, you make an *** of U and ME.

7:49 ‘Heaven is my throne, and earth my footstool. What house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest?
50 Did not my hand make all these things?’

Jesus said, "“Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,” ( Matt 19:4)

Freud told us otherwise, what 19 centuries later? Freud’s hypothesis was so weak, Herbert Spencer had to save it by developing a philosophy to allow it to work.

Using words such as suggests, believe, ‘Evolution states’ as Scientific fact is ridiculous.
God created all things by His Word, His Word is a power, Rev 4:11 "Worthy art thou, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for thou didst create all things, and by thy will they existed and were created.]

As creations of God’s image, Our words are a power, we can build someone up with a word, or tear them apart with a word.

There is no PROOF of Evolution, and if you believe in Evolution than someone is trying to make a monkey out of you.

Science wants proof God exists, but then want us to swallow Evolution, as fact, without proof.
Show me the proof without speculation, without assumption, without the term believed to have descended… show me Evidence, without the holes which are accepted only because, the philosophy of Evolution states, This is what we ‘know’ now, and anything we come to know in the future can be changed, as we learn more. Evolutionist created there own ins and outs which are always expendable til they know more or changes? Give me a break!

God bless,
John

 

[John_oxios]

Why is J Vernon McGee – a man ignorant of science and long dead – relevant to this discussion?

Try reading him, before you commit to that statement, in no way was he ignorant of Science…
From the man Himself,
“it is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance” Charles Darwin,"

"I have steadily endeavored to keep my mind free so as to give up any hypothesis, however much beloved (and I cannot resist forming one on every subject), as soon as the facts are shown to be opposed to it. (Also Charles Darwin)

GK Chsterton, "Ignorance use to mean, “Not to pay attention to the truth.”

The truth is there is no proof of the evolution of species, A cow was always some form of a cow, and birds were birds, all created by God, there are no mixing of the kinds.

Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance as it accumulates in the form of inert facts. (Henry Adams)

God Bless,
John
John

 

[StAnastasia]

There is no PROOF of Evolution, and if you believe in Evolution than someone is trying to make a monkey out of you.

There is no proof for the theories of gravity or plate tectonics or evolution. That is not how science works. But these theories are in their respective fields the most coherent explanation of the data. If we find data unaccounted for by a theory, we revise the theory, or replace it altogether. We don’t replace a theory because it contradicts an ancient cosmogonic story.

 

[edwest2]

Isaiah 29:16 “Surely your turning of things upside down shall be as esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?”

Peace,
Ed

 

[StAnastasia]

Try reading him, before you commit to that statement, in no way was he ignorant of Science… . The truth is there is no proof of the evolution of species, A cow was always some form of a cow, and birds were birds, all created by God, there are no mixing of the kinds. God Bless, John

John, I know his work, and I know of no scientific credentials he had.

Cows evolved from the aurochs about 8500 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs. Birds evolved from dinosaurs tens of millions of years ago. “Kinds” are imaginary.

 

[mackbrislawn]

secular scientists and secular state school teachers and schools would, it seems,accept and teach that Adam and Eve,Noah,Global flood etc are myths and fairy tales.Should,or would or could Catholic, scientists,teachers or schools also accept and teach this - any comments - jimc

It seems to me that when secular schools teach things like that, they are imposing their religion onto the kids.

 

[StAnastasia]

It seems to me that when secular schools teach things like that, they are imposing their religion onto the kids.

Which myths should public schools teach or not teach? Is it imposing religion onto kids to debunk the stories of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and Cupid? Should they be left untouched too? What about the creation mythologies of other peoples, like Native Americans, Africans, and Australians?

 

[InsanityChild]

ADAM AND EVE DNT EXIST w evelved from moneys there is no divine intervention and the eatth was created over billions of years not 7 days

 

[David_Zampino]

Someplace C. S. Lewis writes that while he does not have a professional knowledge of theology, he does have such knowledge of mythology. It is his professional opinion that Christianity is among the poorest of myths, therefore must be something else. If you want myths he recommends the Norse myths.

Check out JRR Tolkien’s essay “On Fairy Stories” – also his arguments for Christianity as the “True Myth” – the “Myth that Actually Happened” which strongly influenced Lewis’s conversion.

 

[InsanityChild]

C.S LEWIS is stupid and is fukin DEAD

 

[John_oxios]

There is no proof for the theories of gravity or plate tectonics or evolution. That is not how science works. But these theories are in their respective fields the most coherent explanation of the data. If we find data unaccounted for by a theory, we revise the theory, or replace it altogether. We don’t replace a theory because it contradicts an ancient cosmogonic story.

Hi,
Again you trying to prove a theory by saying, “In their respective fields the most coherent explanation of data”
Great it doesn’t make them fact, isn’t science based on fact? Don’t they prove a theory before it becomes a fact? Or are all to be led around by any theory presented to us these days.

C’mon, You’re comparing Evolution with Gravity. Your saying there’s No proof of Gravity? And i thought you were seemed educated.
I guess to you and your Higher education, what goes up, doesn’t necessarily have to come down?

       Please, I took advanced Calculus, over thirty yrs ago and I can still remember that  Isaac Newton spelled it out In fact he explains it mathematically everything falls at 9.8 feet per second,and increases 9.8 ft. per second,  all this can be measured.

Plate Teutonics? theoretical yes! That’s why it called a scientific Theory, nothing concrete but an elaboration of an older concept called continental drift about the Earth 225 million yrs ago. Mater of fact it depends on Gravity which drives the motion.

God bless,
John

 

[twinc]

John, I know his work, and I know of no scientific credentials he had.

Cows evolved from the aurochs about 8500 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs. Birds evolved from dinosaurs tens of millions of years ago. “Kinds” are imaginary.

cows and oxen are bovine and did not evolve from feline or canine or any other ine or kind - the better supposition would be man devolved to monkey and being vulnerable on the ground took to the safety of the trees,a much more likely and plausible scenario and ostrichs and emus and turkeys and such like lost the use of their wings and devolved into dinosaurs etc .Two much more likely scenarios - btw according to the great scientist who created science and scientists birds were created before dinosaurs - twinc

 

[StAnastasia]

C’mon, You’re comparing Evolution with Gravity. Your saying there’s No proof of Gravity? And i thought you were seemed educated.
I guess to you and your Higher education, what goes up, doesn’t necessarily have to come down?

So what is your “proof” that the theory of gravitation causes things to fall down? How is it more cogent than evolutionary theory that explains species diversification?

 

[StAnastasia]

cows and oxen are bovine and did not evolve from feline or canine or any other ine or kind - the better supposition would be man devolved to monkey and being vulnerable on the ground took to the safety of the trees,a much more likely and plausible scenario and ostrichs and emus and turkeys and such like lost the use of their wings and devolved into dinosaurs etc .Two much more likely scenarios - twinc

Sorry – you lose.

"Cattle were originally identified by Carolus Linnaeus as three separate species. These were Bos taurus, the European or “taurine” cattle (including similar types from Africa and Asia); Bos indicus, the zebu; and the extinct Bos primigenius, the aurochs. The aurochs is ancestral to both zebu and taurine cattle. Recently these three have increasingly been grouped as one species, with Bos primigenius taurus, Bos primigenius indicus and Bos primigenius primigenius as the subspecies.

Complicating the matter is the ability of cattle to interbreed with other closely related species. Hybrid individuals and even breeds exist, not only between taurine cattle and zebu but also between one or both of these and some other members of the genus Bos: yak (called a dzo or “yattle”, banteng and gaur. Hybrids can also occur between taurine cattle and either species of bison, which some authors consider to be in the genus Bos as well. The hybrid origin of some types may not be obvious – for example, genetic testing of the Dwarf Lulu breed, the only humpless taurine-type cattle in Nepal, found them to be a mix of taurine cattle, zebu and yak. Cattle cannot successfully be hybridized with more distantly related bovines such as water buffalo or African buffalo.

The aurochs originally ranged throughout Europe, North Africa, and much of Asia. In historical times its range became restricted to Europe, and the last known individual died in Masovia, Poland, in about 1627. Breeders have attempted to recreate cattle of similar appearance to aurochs by crossing traditional types of domesticated cattle, creating the Heck cattle breed. (See also aurochs and zebu articles.)"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle

 

[StAnastasia]

cows and oxen are bovine and did not evolve from feline or canine or any other ine or kind - the better supposition would be man devolved to monkey and being vulnerable on the ground took to the safety of the trees,a much more likely and plausible scenario and ostrichs and emus and turkeys and such like lost the use of their wings and devolved into dinosaurs etc .Two much more likely scenarios - btw according to the great scientist who created science and scientists birds were created before dinosaurs - twinc

Twinc, of course cows and oxen did not evolve from felines or canines, which are members of the clade designated as “carnivora.” Cows and deer are cousins, and these two in turn are cousins to whales, dolphins and hippos. Cows, deer, giraffes, pigs and camels are all cousins to carnivora. All those clades in turn are cousins to the clade of which we form a part, that includes lemurs, tarsiers, monkeys, apes, rabbits, and rodents. These tree relationships are based on a variety of types of evidence, including genetic.

StAnastasia

 

[twinc]

cows and oxen are bovine and did not evolve from feline or canine or any other ine or kind - the better supposition would be man devolved to monkey and being vulnerable on the ground took to the safety of the trees,a much more likely and plausible scenario and ostrichs and emus and turkeys and such like lost the use of their wings and devolved into dinosaurs etc .Two much more likely scenarios - btw according to the great scientist who created science and scientists birds were created before dinosaurs - twinc

btw according to the bible it seems you are enmeshed in cunningly devised fables and so called false science[see 2.Peter 1:16 and 1Tim 6:20] - watch for my coming topic "IS TODAY’S “SCIENCE” TRUE - twinc

 

[John_oxios]

So what is your “proof” that the theory of gravitation causes things to fall down? How is it more cogent than evolutionary theory that explains species diversification?

Do I really have to prove Gravity exists?
The proof is gravity exists and can be measured, rockets were developed to overcome Gravity to place men in space and bring them back.

The language of Science is Mathematics Correct? Gravity is explained by how it works mathematically, and how it is overcome mathematically and that that works.

Physics say Gravity works, Gravity is a well known constant.

Evolution? C’mon, if you want to say the Earth the Earth was around several million yrs.
Before God formed man, I have no problem with that, but if your trying to tell me Man and Women came out of a primordial ooze as the origin of life, Sorry, the mathematical odds of that happening are not astronomical, but UNBELIEVABLE.
There are so many holes in the theory of Evolution, ittakes of a blind faith to accept.

So what is your belief? God created man through a primordial ooze over what 225 million yrs. of Evolution?
Stop with the speculation, show some verifiable proof that one kind of animal completely evolves into a completely different kind of animal. i.e a fish into a monkey? Or a toad into a prince?

God bless,
John