N.O. Mass with Latin responses?

[TrueLight]

Our Lady of the Atonement in San Antonio is an Anglican Use parish, but has a Latin OF Mass on Sunday evenings. The parish as a whole is liturgically meticulous, and I notice that they even use the term Novus Ordo. (This is the same term that Rome used during the early days of postconciliar liturgical form, the *Novus Ordo Missae, *and why it dies hard in so many of us, out of habit.)
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I know a priest who is a die-hard promoter of the Latin Novus Ordo. He prefers it to the TLM and will say so.

And he calls it…drum roll… the Latin Novus Ordo.

 

[Moore11]

Update.
Well, it was not at all like I thought. We used the chanted responses for the Angus Dei and the Gloria and the Lord’s prayer but that was it and it was all sung in an awkward way with Organ music that did not quite fit the prayers. Oh well, kudos for trying right? So everything except those three things were regular and the three prayers were kind of sung oddly.

 

[odile53]

Disappointing, but at least it’s a start. Baby steps, baby steps!

Truth be told, when I go to an EF Mass, a) I’m a little lost, even though I had four years of classical Latin (notice I said “had,” as if I said I HAD the measles, it was brutal study!) and b) the people don’t make much in terms of response anyways, the cantor and schola do that, and I doubt they’d appreciate my nasal Bronx droning along! So I sit there, kneel there, or stand there, as the case might be, and follow along in my Baronius missal. I’ve noticed that one of the two priests who celebrates the EF Mass in my diocese races through as if he’s going for the land speed record in Latin.

So what I’d really like to see here in my diocese, preferably at either my unofficial weekday parish, or my official Sunday parish, is an OF partially in Latin, the way you see it done on EWTN. I like to participate in prayer, and I’ve come to the place in my own spirituality where I’m not the least abashed to say it.

Since a few of the priests at my unofficial weekday parish occasionally get together with us weekday evening Mass regulars for sushi after Mass (this happens about every couple of months,) and since all of them are slightly older than me, meaning they had to do Latin in seminary, I once broached the subject, being very specific that I was talking about the Ordinary Form and not the Tridentine Mass.

From their reaction, you would have thought I had suggested pasturing cattle on the lawn in front of the rectory!

One of them commented that Latin was his bane in seminary, nearly flunking him out. The rest were dismissive that this was an archaic practice, and their mission was to bring Christ to the contemporary marketplace.

So I went to work on my pastor, who has an incredible voice when he does the small parts in the OF which call for chant. My home parish is a beautiful limestone and marble Gothic construction. Ideal, from an aesthetic standpoint. He informed me that I was the only one who had mentioned an interest, that we were in a rural area, and that most people would not be interested, yadda, yadda.

So my only option if I want Latin is the EF with Father Land Speed Record.

Don’t worry, though. I’m tough, persistent, and articulate, as my spiritual director informs me. As a matter of fact, he told me once that my face pops into mind when he considers the Church Militant. And I’ve been accused of nagging by my husband on more than one occasion!

Give me a couple of years, and I suspect that the OF in Latin will happen somewhere near where I can attend it!

Yeah, I know. I’m a brat!

 

[Celticnovice]

Disappointing, but at least it’s a start. Baby steps, baby steps!

Truth be told, when I go to an EF Mass, a) I’m a little lost, even though I had four years of classical Latin (notice I said “had,” as if I said I HAD the measles, it was brutal study!) and b) the people don’t make much in terms of response anyways, the cantor and schola do that, and I doubt they’d appreciate my nasal Bronx droning along! So I sit there, kneel there, or stand there, as the case might be, and follow along in my Baronius missal. I’ve noticed that one of the two priests who celebrates the EF Mass in my diocese races through as if he’s going for the land speed record in Latin.

So what I’d really like to see here in my diocese, preferably at either my unofficial weekday parish, or my official Sunday parish, is an OF partially in Latin, the way you see it done on EWTN. I like to participate in prayer, and I’ve come to the place in my own spirituality where I’m not the least abashed to say it.

Since a few of the priests at my unofficial weekday parish occasionally get together with us weekday evening Mass regulars for sushi after Mass (this happens about every couple of months,) and since all of them are slightly older than me, meaning they had to do Latin in seminary, I once broached the subject, being very specific that I was talking about the Ordinary Form and not the Tridentine Mass.

From their reaction, you would have thought I had suggested pasturing cattle on the lawn in front of the rectory!

One of them commented that Latin was his bane in seminary, nearly flunking him out. The rest were dismissive that this was an archaic practice, and their mission was to bring Christ to the contemporary marketplace.

So I went to work on my pastor, who has an incredible voice when he does the small parts in the OF which call for chant. My home parish is a beautiful limestone and marble Gothic construction. Ideal, from an aesthetic standpoint. He informed me that I was the only one who had mentioned an interest, that we were in a rural area, and that most people would not be interested, yadda, yadda.

So my only option if I want Latin is the EF with Father Land Speed Record.

Don’t worry, though. I’m tough, persistent, and articulate, as my spiritual director informs me. As a matter of fact, he told me once that my face pops into mind when he considers the Church Militant. And I’ve been accused of nagging by my husband on more than one occasion!

Give me a couple of years, and I suspect that the OF in Latin will happen somewhere near where I can attend it!

Yeah, I know. I’m a brat!

I would love to pray/attend the Mass that is done on EWTN. I thought Br. JR said it was the Franciscan rite, but I could be mistaken…My parish offers a reverent OF and a EF so I really can’t complain.

 

[ProVobis]

So my only option if I want Latin is the EF with Father Land Speed Record.

And then there are people who like a quick Mass because they can’t kneel for a long period of time. Guess you can’t please everyone.

 

[OraLabora]

I know a priest who is a die-hard promoter of the Latin Novus Ordo. He prefers it to the TLM and will say so.

And he calls it…drum roll… the Latin Novus Ordo.

The abbot at our abbey feels the same way. He gave us a very good talk on the OF recently, explaining why he prefers it and why to him many of the accretions in the EF added little to the Mass but made the life of the celebrant very difficult.

I also was in a conference led by a Benedictine priest-monk last month (in the UK), and we had a brief chat between sessions about how, in his opinion, the OF Mass, properly done, can be every bit as beautiful and reverent as the EF Mass.

That certainly has been my experience in Benedictine monasteries. Personally I feel that if every OF Mass were as well done as at a Benedictine monastery, there’d be little demand to go back to the EF. At least that’s my opinion.

 

[ProVobis]

That certainly has been my experience in Benedictine monasteries. Personally I feel that if every OF Mass were as well done as at a Benedictine monastery, there’d be little demand to go back to the EF. At least that’s my opinion.

In that case, expand the Latin OF. But as it is, as rare as the EF is, even rarer is the Latin OF. In the Archdiocese of Chicago, there are 11 EF’s every Sunday morning, while only two Latin OFs, and one uses Polish readings.

 

[Rich_C]

Personally I feel that if every OF Mass were as well done as at a Benedictine monastery, there’d be little demand to go back to the EF. At least that’s my opinion.

I think that would be true for many, who seek the EF to escape badly done OF liturgies. I’ve never been to an OF Mass like you describe, but I’m sure that even with ad orientem, chant, and Latin, I would miss the prayers of the EF Mass, which are it’s real appeal for me.

 

[TrueLight]

I think that would be true for many, who seek the EF to escape badly done OF liturgies. I’ve never been to an OF Mass like you describe, but I’m sure that even with ad orientem, chant, and Latin, I would miss the prayers of the EF Mass, which are it’s real appeal for me.

I attended a requiem low mass recently and I was amazed at the beauty and depth of the prayers. For me, and, I suspect for you too, Rich, it is a lot deeper than having prayers in Latin.

Oralabora to your point, I would be very happy if a lot of parishes would have Latin Novus Ordos.

 

[pnewton]

I know of exactly one place in Texas that celebrates a Latin OF Mass: Annunciation in Houston, run by an elderly monsignor who was a priest before Vatican II even started.

We had the Mass in Latin on Friday for a couple of years now just a few miles south of you, along with a smattering of bi-lingual Holy Days throughout the year.

Once, our priest introduced the Gloria, “Gloria in excelsis deo…” because he had read that was a good intro, even when using English. Well, we didn’t know what he was doing, so we continued in Latin, have memorized the first few lines and went diving into the pew for the music for the rest. We found it about the time our memories were giving out, but never missed a beat.

 

[Contarini]

Ok so we have a young priest who is moving parishes and for his “going away” present he is going to incorporate Latin into the 10AM Mass on Sunday. This is huge in my diocese!! For reasons I have explained before, there is hostility toward Latin. I am surprised he was able to do this. He made it clear in the announcement that it was not the “old Mass” but rather the responses would be in Latin. Now I am definitely going because I am one who has been clamoring for more Latin and am interested in having a Latin Mass someday. The party line from the diocese is always about “numbers” So I think it is important to show support for anything incorporating Latin into it.

My question: Can anyone point me to what I need to know to participate better in this Mass on Sunday?

It’s always baffled me why there aren’t more OF Latin Masses and/or more Latin mixed in with the vernacular (as Vatican II actually called for). Perhaps because, at least until recently, most folks who wanted Latin wanted the old Mass.

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

The abbot at our abbey feels the same way. He gave us a very good talk on the OF recently, explaining why he prefers it and why to him many of the accretions in the EF added little to the Mass but made the life of the celebrant very difficult.

I also was in a conference led by a Benedictine priest-monk last month (in the UK), and we had a brief chat between sessions about how, in his opinion, the OF Mass, properly done, can be every bit as beautiful and reverent as the EF Mass.

That certainly has been my experience in Benedictine monasteries. Personally I feel that if every OF Mass were as well done as at a Benedictine monastery, there’d be little demand to go back to the EF. At least that’s my opinion.

Yes. I spent a day (nearly ten years ago now) at the monastery of Chevetogne in Belgium. They are a dual-rite monastery famed for their Byzantine liturgies. But initially it was hard for me to tear myself away from the Latin-rite end of the building (they have a Latin-rite chapel at one end and a Byzantine-rite chapel at the other). I’d been to a lot of beautiful Byzantine liturgies both Catholic and Orthodox, but it was new to hear the OF done (in French) so beautifully. . . . .