NA Yoga Vs Catholicism

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I was wondering if there is a very brief point tsomeone could make in showing the difference to Catholics the danger of New Age Yoga.

I know there are many types of Yoga, I am referring to the physical exercise,(could be ashana??) I don’t have my notes in front of me.

Simply put I have said that most of NA is about centering on the self, all about emptying oneself and entering self/ego talk, listening to the music with the sounds praising the different Gods, etc. whereas Catholicism is about the Eucharist and filling oneself with our Lord… Yes we can meditate, but we contemplate the face of Jesus, the Holy Spirit fills our souls with the love of God etc.,

There is talk about the Spine, serpent, etc., but I am just looking for some clear answers without all the jargon that you have to read.
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First…you dont have to be into New Age things to do Yoga…you can meditate to anything. **Also let it be said that at no time is it necessary to surrender your own religious beliefs to practice yoga. **

Hatha yoga refers to a set of physical exercises (known as asanas or postures), and sequences of asanas, designed to align your skin, muscles, and bones. The postures are also designed to open the many channels of the body–especially the main channel, the spine–so that energy can flow freely.

Hatha is also translated as ha meaning “sun” and tha meaning “moon.” This refers to the balance of masculine aspects–active, hot, sun–and feminine aspects–receptive, cool, moon–within all of us. **Hatha yoga is a path toward creating balance and uniting opposites. In our physical bodies we develop a balance of strength and flexibility. We also learn to balance our effort and surrender in each pose. **Hatha yoga is a powerful tool for self-transformation. It asks us to bring our attention to our breath, which helps us to still the fluctuations of the mind and be more present in the unfolding of each moment

 
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holidaypro:
I know there are many types of Yoga, I am referring to the physical exercise,(could be ashana??) I don’t have my notes in front of me.
Today most people practicing yoga are engaged in the third limb, asana, which is a program of physical postures designed to **purify the body **and provide the physical strength and stamina required for long periods of meditation…how is this bad???
 
and the reason this topic is in the Orthodox folder is…?
 
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Ahimsa:
Yoga, Orthodoxy…it’s all from the “East”. 😃
The teachings of the God-man are hardly on the same level as Yoga. His teachings proceed from eternal Light. Yoga comes from the limited mind of humans.

Anyway, the enquirer wants a Catholic response and he or she won’t get that in the Orthodox folder. The Orthodox response to such Oriental techniques is that they range from the delusional to the diabolical.

Any Orthodox becoming involved in such things would be well advised to have a serious discussion about it beforehand with their spiritual father or mother.
 
If I can be forgiven for posting in this folder, but read for responding to the question…

The Catholic way involves not a destruction of the ego, but a submitting of the will to the will of God, not in a cult of the body or mind, but in a cult of God. That is, Yoga puts energy into the willful changing of spiritual states on a personal level so as to become a god.

The Catholic knows only God can change the spiritual state through divine grace, and that the Catholic will never become God, if not like him in the moral and spiritual sense…once again, through his grace. The closest we can get to becoming like somethone completely holy is to Mary, who was all-human yet submitted fully and humbly, once again, to the will of God.

God bless,
Aaron
 
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aaronjmagnan:
If I can be forgiven for posting in this folder, but read for responding to the question…

The Catholic way involves not a destruction of the ego, but a submitting of the will to the will of God, not in a cult of the body or mind, but in a cult of God. That is, Yoga puts energy into the willful changing of spiritual states on a personal level so as to become a god.

The Catholic knows only God can change the spiritual state through divine grace, and that the Catholic will never become God, if not like him in the moral and spiritual sense…once again, through his grace. The closest we can get to becoming like somethone completely holy is to Mary, who was all-human yet submitted fully and humbly, once again, to the will of God.

God bless,
Aaron
can you look at post #3…this is how most people practice yoga today…the people that practice as you decribed use it as a spiritual tool in the faith they believe…yes that is not the Catholic Church. Using yoga as purely an exercsie form is a problem from what you write…or did I read something incorrectly???
 
As a Ruthenian Catholic, I would answer this the same way as Father Ambrose. Delusional and diabolical would be fittingly descriptive words and a long talk with ones spiritual father or mother would be imperative.
Sorry Karin, I’ve known many people who started yoga as an exercise option and they got sucked into the lie.
 
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Mickey:
As a Ruthenian Catholic, I would answer this the same way as Father Ambrose. Delusional and diabolical would be fittingly descriptive words and a long talk with ones spiritual father or mother would be imperative.
Sorry Karin, I’ve known many people who started yoga as an exercise option and they got sucked into the lie.
I have never heard this before. I have devout Catholic friends that practice Yoga several times a week…that is they practice the exercise not the spiritual side…it is possilbe to seperate the two:D .
 
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Karin:
it is possilbe to seperate the two:D .
Perhaps, but why chance it. There are very good exercise programs that do not have a “spiritual side”. 😉
 
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Mickey:
Perhaps, but why chance it. There are very good exercise programs that do not have a “spiritual side”. 😉
Completely agreed. Take up running or soccer.
 
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aaronjmagnan:
The Catholic knows only God can change the spiritual state through divine grace, and that the Catholic will never become God, if not like him in the moral and spiritual sense…once again, through his grace. The closest we can get to becoming like somethone completely holy is to Mary, who was all-human yet submitted fully and humbly, once again, to the will of God.
The Orthodox way is that of becoming by grace what God is by nature. See 2 Peter 1.

This can be likened to plunging a knife into the fire. It takes on the qualities of the fire without ever becoming fire.

In the world of Orthodox Christianity this deification (theosis) comes about through prayer and fasting and especially through the concentrated use of the Prayer of the Heart which, by means of psycho-spiritual methods which are in fact similar to Yoga -control of the heartbeat and breathing, the non-stop repetition of a phrase (similar in some ways to a mantra and linked to breathing and the heartbeat) - may result in a vision of the Uncreated Light of God.

Does anybody here have any acquaintance with this Orthodox spirituality, sometimes known as hesychasm? It is practised more by monks and nuns than by laypeople because it requires a full commitment.
 
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Mickey:
Perhaps, but why chance it. There are very good exercise programs that do not have a “spiritual side”. 😉
Each their own I guess…:rolleyes:
 
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Karin:
I have never heard this before. I have devout Catholic friends that practice Yoga several times a week…that is they practice the exercise not the spiritual side…it is possilbe to seperate the two:D .
Transendental meditation is this also part of Yoga?

StMarkEofE
 
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livingtashlikh:
Completely agreed. Take up running or soccer.
running is horrible on the joints and soccer well I love soccer so I cant say anything bad about it. 😃
 
**“Christian Yoga” **

Article at
orthodoxphotos.com/readings/future/yoga.shtml

Hindu yoga has been known in the West for many decades, and especially in America it has given rise to innumerable cults and also to a popular form of physical therapy which is supposedly non-religious in its aims. Nearly twenty years ago a French Benedictine monk wrote of his experiences in making Yoga a “Christian” discipline; the description that follows is taken from his book.

Hindu Yoga is a discipline that presupposes a rather abstemious, disciplined life, and is composed of breath control and certain physical postures which produce a state of relaxation in which one meditates, usually with the help of a mantra or sacred utterance which aids concentration. The essence of Yoga is not the discipline itself, but the meditation which is its end. The author is correct when he writes: “The aims of Hindu Yoga are spiritual. It is tantamount to treason to forget this and retain only the purely physical side of this ancient discipline, to see in it no more than a means towards bodily health or beauty.” To this it should be added that the person who uses Yoga only for physical well-being is already disposing himself towards certain spiritual attitudes and even experiences of which he is undoubtedly unaware.

The same author then continues: “The art of the yogi is to establish himself in a complete silence, to empty himself of all thoughts and illusions, to discard and forget everything but this one idea: man’s true self is divine; it is God, and the rest is silence.”

This idea, of course, is not Christian but pagan, but the aim of “Christian Yoga” is to use the technique of Yoga for a different spiritual end, for a “Christian” meditation. The object of the Yoga technique, in this view, is to make one relaxed, content unthinking, and passive or receptive to spiritual ideas and experiences. “As soon as you have taken up the posture, you will feel your body relaxing and a feeling of general well-being will establish itself in you.” The exercises produce an “extraordinary sense of calm.” “To begin with, one gets the feeling of a general unwinding, of a well-being taking hold, of a euphoria that will, and in fact does, last. If one’s nerves have been tense and overstrung, the exercises calm them, and fatigue disappears in a little time.” “The goal of all his [the yogi’s] efforts is to silence the thinking self in him by shutting his eyes to every kind of enticement.” The euphoria which Yoga brings “could well be called a ‘state of health’ that allows us to do more and do it better on the human plane to begin with, and on the Christian religious, spiritual plane afterwards. The most apt word to describe it is contentedness, a contentedness that inhabits body and soul and predisposes us… toward the spiritual life.” One’s whole personality can be changed by it: “Hatha Yoga influences character to the good. One man, after some weeks of practice, admits he no longer knows himself, and everyone notices a change in his bearing and reaction. He is gentler and more understanding. He faces experience calmly. He is content… His whole personality has been altered and he himself feels it steadying and opening out; from this there arises an almost permanent condition of euphoria, of ‘contentedness.’”

But all of this is only a preparation for a “spiritual” aim, which begins to make itself felt in a very short time: “By becoming contemplative in a matter of weeks, my prayer had been given a particular and novel cast.” Becoming extraordinarily calm, the author notices “the ease I felt in entering into prayer, in concentrating on a subject.” One becomes “more receptive to impulses and promptings from heaven.” “The practice of Yoga makes for increased suppleness and receptivity, and thus for openness to those personal exchanges between God and the soul that mark the way of the mystical life.” Even for the “apprentice yogi” prayer becomes “sweet” and “embraces the whole of man.” One is relaxed and “ready to tremble at the touch of the Holy Ghost, to receive and welcome what God in his Goodness thinks fit to let us experience.” “We shall be making our being ready to be taken, to be seized — and this is surely one of the forms, in fact the highest of Christian contemplation.” “Every day the exercises, and indeed the whole ascetic discipline of my Yoga, make it easier for the grace of Christ to flow in me. I feel my hunger for God growing, and my thirst for righteousness, and my desire to be a Christian in the full strength of the word.”

Anyone who understands the nature of prelest or spiritual deception will recognize in this description of “Christian Yoga” precisely the characteristics of those who have gone spiritually astray, whether into pagan religious experiences or sectarian “Christian” experiences.

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orthodoxphotos.com/readings/future/yoga.shtml
 
Fr Ambrose:
Does anybody here have any acquaintance with this Orthodox spirituality, sometimes known as hesychasm? It is practised more by monks and nuns than by laypeople because it requires a full commitment.
Is this somewhat like the ecstasies that St. John of the Cross and other mystics experienced?
 
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WBB:
Is this somewhat like the ecstasies that St. John of the Cross and other mystics experienced?
Saint Seraphim of Sarov

Except from
trinitylight.net/theology/st_seraphim_snow_eng.htm

Then Father Seraphim took me very firmly by the shoulders and said: “We are both in the Spirit of God now, my son. Why don’t you look at me?”

I replied: “I cannot look, Father, because your eyes are flashing like lightning. Your face has become brighter than the sun, and my eyes ache with pain.”

Father Seraphim said: “Don’t be alarmed, your Godliness! Now you yourself have become as bright as I am. You are now in the fullness of the Spirit of God yourself; otherwise you would not be able to see me as I am.”

Then, bending his head towards me, he whispered softly in my ear: “Thank the Lord God for His unutterable mercy to us! You saw that I did not even cross myself; and only in my heart I prayed mentally to the Lord God and said within myself: ‘Lord, grant him to see clearly with his bodily eyes that descent of Thy Spirit which Thou grantest to Thy servants when Thou art pleased to appear in the light of Thy magnificent glory.’ And you see, my son, the Lord instantly fulfilled the humble prayer of poor Seraphim. How then shall we not thank Him for this unspeakable gift to us both? Even to the greatest hermits, my son, the Lord God does not always show His mercy in this way. This grace of God, like a loving mother, has been pleased to comfort your contrite heart at the intercession of the Mother of God herself. But why, my son, do you not look me in the eyes? Just look, and don’t be afraid! The Lord is with us!”

After these words I glanced at his face and there came over me an even greater reverent awe. Imagine in the center of the sun, in the dazzling light of its midday rays, the face of a man talking to you. You see the movement of his lips and the changing expression of his eyes, you hear his voice, you feel someone holding your shoulders; yet you do not see his hands, you do not even see yourself or his figure, but only a blinding light spreading far around for several yards and illumining with its glaring sheen both the snow-blanket which covered the forest glade and the snow-flakes which besprinkled me and the great Elder. You can imagine the state I was in!

“How do you feel now?” Father Seraphim asked me.

“Extraordinarily well,” I said.

“But in what way? How exactly do you feel well?”

I answered: “I feel such calmness and peace in my soul that no words can express it.”

Holy Father Seraphim pray for us
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