Naked Body Scanners

[pnewton]

What do you mean “so what?”

It’s pretty obvious that if someone got on board and exploded a bomb, people like you would be screaming blue murder.

That’s your “so what”.

Yes, and if we had a nuclear weapon dropped, that too would be upsetting. Again, what is your point.

Oh, are you one of these people that actually thinks that random searches makes us safer the more ridiculous they are? Are you actually of the opinion that showing non-terrorists naked is a benefit as long as we don’t use any common sense on who we feel up? Perhaps you also believe that the same people who have zero control of the border, have spent a trillion dollars to boost the economy from 6% to 10% unemployment are able to make decision based on need not politics.

I am not one.

Yes, I would scream bloody murder, but at those that actually murder, not innocent Americans that have done nothing. I would rather have a hijacking or bomb every year than live in a totalitarian state.

Benjamin Franklin
*They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. *

I guess I am more of a “give me liberty or give me death guy.” Not a bad quote for a Yankee. I do not think Australians appreciate the Texan mindset.

 

[onenow1]

I doubt they would be allowed to publically expose to many of the flaws with the system because that would be a security risk.

And loss of a lot of loot to the company making the machines !

Peace
:compcoff:

 

[onenow1]

Yes, and if we had a nuclear weapon dropped, that too would be upsetting. Again, what is your point.

Oh, are you one of these people that actually thinks that random searches makes us safer the more ridiculous they are? Are you actually of the opinion that showing non-terrorists naked is a benefit as long as we don’t use any common sense on who we feel up? Perhaps you also believe that the same people who have zero control of the border, have spent a trillion dollars to boost the economy from 6% to 10% unemployment are able to make decision based on need not politics.

I am not one.

Yes, I would scream bloody murder, but at those that actually murder, not innocent Americans that have done nothing. I would rather have a hijacking or bomb every year than live in a totalitarian state.

Benjamin Franklin
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

I guess I am more of a “give me liberty or give me death guy.” Not a bad quote for a Yankee. I do not think Australians appreciate the Texan mindset.

I would just add if a bomber was to get scanned, what would stop them from detonating the bomb in the air port it would probably be detonated one way or the other !

Peace

 

[tjm190]

… have you bothered seeing what these images actually look like?

dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1249929/Shah-Rukh-Khans-body-scanner-image-printed-says-Heathrow-Airport.html

 

[karbear]

The church does not have anything against these acts. I expect the church to remain silent on the entire issue of necesary safeguards for safety and will defer to “local” authority on such issues. Where church teaching comes into play is the decision between necesity and morality. If one has to expose themself to fly is it realy that important that they fly? is the good achieved by the flight out weigh the bad.

QUOTE]

Thanks so much. Your instruction has been extremely helpful to me in sorting this out.

 

[donanobis]

Aint It Awful vs Cold Anger

A Congressman has initiated a bill, HR 6416, to thwart these invasive searches. Will you be one of those crying "Ain’t It Awful?’ or will you be among those working to support his effort in Congress?

“… legislation is simple. It establishes that airport security screeners are not immune from any US law regarding physical contact with another person, making images of another person, or causing physical harm through the use of radiation-emitting machinery on another person. It means they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.”
lewrockwell.com/paul/paul704.html

campaignforliberty.com/
Congressman interviewed by Judge Napolitano (no relation to Janet) about TSA.
Take A Stand

Judge Andrew Napolitano on Monday’s Freedom Watch discusses the responsibility of government in light of the recent outcry against the TSA’s airport security standards.

 

[pnewton]

I know that CBS came out with a poll that showed 8 out of 10 Americans supported the TSA, then a week later cut that number to 5 out of 10.

Reuters has one that said 96% polled said they are altering plans. About 50% is the lowest poll so far on people who say they will not fly because of the TSA.

It is interesting to see the results this will have on the industry. I think we will see a huge gut punch to profits in 2011.

 

[donanobis]

More troubling questions

1. Are airlines privately owned?
2. If people refuse to fly because of new Homeland Security police state regulations, will privately owned airlines go broke?
3. If the airlines go broke, will the ‘government’ buy them like it did GM
4. Then what?

It is interesting to see the results this will have on the industry. I think we will see a huge gut punch to profits in 2011.

 

[royal_archer]

All,

Generally speaking, the scanners do not take “naked photos”. Almost all of the sample images I’ have seen (Google image search: “tsa scanners”) are at worst holographic images of the shape of the subject’s body. The TSA sets the scanners to obscure faces and genitalia. It is a bit disingenuous to characterize this as “naked photos”, because they do not show the surface details of the body and measures are in place to obscure the most private areas.

The pat-downs are abominably intrusive and immodest, however.

If you subscribe to Anthony Buono’s Ave Maria Singles blog, you probably have seen this: he wrote to his spiritual director about this very issue, and the response said in part:

I’m inclined to agree with this. While I am not thrilled about being scanned, I believe that the procedure and the safeguards involved remove a great deal of the prurient nature of the imaging – it’s not public, it’s not protracted, it’s not sexual, it’s anonymous, and it’s being done for public safety in a very dangerous time. While it’s not ideal, something has to be done to deal with the threat of terrorism, and the pat-downs are not an option.

Here’s an article from Popular Mechanics that shows a sample scanner image and answers some frequently asked questions. It also offers a thought with which I’m inclined to agree: if you don’t like the scanners and won’t submit to a pat-down, there’s always Amtrak.

Peace,
Dante

Have you seen the actual images or just what they released as the “actual images” Keep in mind that what they reveal as security capabilities is seldom the true capability.

 

[royal_archer]

I see a movie script here…something like “Die Hard” on an airplane, with the hero having a bow and arrows to fight the bad guys.

I’ve heard of pipers having difficulty bringing their pipes on board (imagine the risk of them going into cargo, even well packed…yikes)

Mine have brass inserts in the tuning slides, which I would imagine would get their attention. I’d probably have to assemble and play the bloody things to show them they are real.

I don’t like the idea of my scanned image being kept for longer than it takes to check me out, but given the current choices, it’s better than having someone paw around my junk.

Here’s the question nobody seems to be asking: Why now? Why weren’t passengers being patted down immediately after the “underware bomber” incident in Detroit last Christmas? If this is really all about safety…why the delay? TSA didn’t have to wait to get scanners to start the patdowns.

What has changed between now and then, in terms of safety and risk?

I was once stopped for brining an unstopped ornamental (not real) long bow (no string, no arrows) onto an airplane. Basically it was just a 6 foot long toothpick that I picked up over seas in a gift shop.

I suspect that the availability of the new scanners gave them the option for the pat downs. This gives the appearance of choice and freedom.

 

[royal_archer]

And loss of a lot of loot to the company making the machines !

Peace
:compcoff:

And Kick backs (AKA campaign contributions) to politicians.

 

[royal_archer]

I would just add if a bomber was to get scanned, what would stop them from detonating the bomb in the air port it would probably be detonated one way or the other !

Peace

Or on the crowded parking garage bus on the way to the airport?

 

[royal_archer]

Thanks so much. Your instruction has been extremely helpful to me in sorting this out.

Thank you for the kind words.

 

[royal_archer]

More troubling questions

1. Are airlines privately owned?
2. If people refuse to fly because of new Homeland Security police state regulations, will privately owned airlines go broke?
3. If the airlines go broke, will the ‘government’ buy them like it did GM
4. Then what?

I would have thought that was an irrational conspiracy before GM, Chrysler, and the Banks.

 

[royal_archer]

Here’s the question nobody seems to be asking: Why now? Why weren’t passengers being patted down immediately after the “underware bomber” incident in Detroit last Christmas?

Weren’t the two wars also meant to make us safer? Either they were a collasal waste of lives and money or we should be able to relax security measures right?

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I doubt they would be allowed to publically expose to many of the flaws with the system because that would be a security risk.

Then you need to tell CNN and Gupta that, because I can tell you they did do that in that segment.

 

[donanobis]

What has changed between now and then, in terms of safety and risk?

Fear mongering can be risky business especially with an upcoming election.

What has changed between now and then is the Nov 2 elections!! Now that it is over, ‘they’ can bring out all their pet fear mongering tactics again. Did anyone notice how they seemed to just disappear when the public started harping on the majority party? Hmmmm!

Another strange thing I noticed is that the fear mongering also subsided on some of the so called internet conspiracy stations. hmmmm!

 

[donanobis]

Here’s the question nobody seems to be asking: Why now? Why weren’t passengers being patted down immediately after the “underware bomber” incident in Detroit last Christmas? If this is really all about safety…why the delay? ?

Good question also. What if the underwear bomber incident in Detroit was a hoax? What if this ‘bomber’ was personally escorted by (naaa 2) intelligence onto the plane? It has been speculated! Why do you suppose an incident such as this would be staged (if it indeed was)?

Lots of food for thought.

 

[alih]

it must be realized that this is an excuse to further demoralize the citizens of this country.
some years back, it was “better red than dead.” if one wants security, try prison with
maximum security. that is where we are headed unless the people of this nation get
some backbone and start fighting for their country instead of calling 911 to have some
one else do it for you.
too many people have died to give you what you want to throw away. freedom, freedom,
freedom.
you have become to comfortable and soft. the girls have taken over. have a good year.
(alih)
p.s. maybe they will do a better job unless you get out of your comfortble holes.
i said it and i’m glad.

 

[Newbie2]

Because it is a political decision, not a security decision. .

Seems likely.

Good question also. What if the underwear bomber incident in Detroit was a hoax? What if this ‘bomber’ was personally escorted by (naaa 2) intelligence onto the plane? It has been speculated! Why do you suppose an incident such as this would be staged (if it indeed was)?

Lots of food for thought.

I’ve always wondered, why on a plane to Detroit? I’ve lived in the Detroit area most of my life, and am proud to live here…but…I’m also aware that most of the country considers Detroit to be the armpit of Michigan, just another city to make a connecting flight, or part of “flyover” country.

If a terrorist wants to make a statement, LAX, JFK, Regan National Airports are the ones to hit. But Detroit? Something to think about, anyway.

I think what we’ll eventually end up seeing is body scanning becoming mandatory unless there’s a medical issue (medical device, radiation concerns, etc.). Along with that, we will probably see a modification on the protocol for use of the images from the scanners.

Maybe…or maybe I’m a bit too much of an idealist to think the Feds can actually get something right.