Name 3 reasons you are not Catholic (yet).

[guanophore]

Contarini, you say you are not suggesting that Jesus and the apostles acted out
of coincidence by selecting male apostolic successors. But in the same breath you
ask how do I know that Jesus just didn’t pick twelve people at random at that place
and time. I would consider the random selection of twelve males, and not any females
included, a remarkable coincidence, unless Jesus had a reason for selecting only males.
I’m afraid you contradict yourself, leaving your argument in shambles.

I fail to see any faulty analogy on my part. For we are still left with the biblical fact
that Jesus asked us to address God as our Father. Notwithstanding
God’s spiritual transcendence, our Lord did not ask us to call God our Mother. Nor
did he address his heavenly Father as Mother. Again, there was no random choice
of words on our Lord’s part. The paternal appellation was used by Jesus for a reason.
Of course, our Lord refrained from getting into needless explanations about
his preference for the male gender when addressing God and choosing his apostles.
He simply left us an example to follow by his solemn words and deeds. The Catholic Church
recognizes and espouses our Lord’s wishes without the rationalizations Protestants
are noted for, fallible speculations on their part that explains the doctrinal divisions and discord
in the Protestant movement of a plurality of Churches. The Sacred Magisterium infallibly
teaches that females cannot be ordained as priests primarily because Jesus left us no example.
Nor did the apostles and the early Church. I have my sacred Traditions which are based on
Sacred Scriptures to guide my beliefs. I do not have to speculate and rationalize like you do.

Our discussion is getting nowhere, so I will end it now on my part. God bless you.

I had this discussion in mind on Friday. The Catholic school kids come to Mass on Friday morning, and Monsigniour lets them ask him three questions after the homily. One little girl asked why women can’t be priests. The church does not believe she has the authority to ordain priests, since there is no precedent for it. I got to wondering, what did Jesus talk about after His resurrection?

Acts 1:3
3 To them he presented himself alive after his passion by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days, and speaking of the kingdom of God."

And why did he not, during that time, ordain another apostle? Why did he leave this unfinished for Peter to do? Could he not have chosen a woman at that time? Why not Mary, to whom He revealed Himself first?

He chose not to do this, and the spirit that has been leading the church since the ascention chose not to do so. Many special women have been chosen, annointed, empowered, and received revelations…

No ordination…

 

[guanophore]

I hope, kujo, if you are going to remain on this forum, you will learn how to use the quote codes.

Originally Posted by Mannyfit75
Our tradition does not contradict Scripture. St. Paul said, 'hold fast the tradition we have given you either by written or oral.

Key words "we have given you(past tense). Look up writings of Paul in the New Testament. He does NOT say “traditions you assume later.”

It is not necessary to say it! Judaism was a religion of oral tradition. Jesus and his apostles were all raised in it, and used it. Both traditions are sacred, the written, and the oral, and both worthy of equal honor and preservation.

Huh?? John 1:1-3 says Christ always was and is. The only thing the Catholic religion gave us is confusing and over a billion people led astray.

I am sad that what you were given of Catholicism has confused you, and I can see by your postings that you are very confused by it, and have been taught a lot of error. I will pray for you so that the mind of your heart may be enlightened.

Catholics say that John at the cross represents believers. Yet, Peter represents only one being. How about the other way around? John took Mary home and she’s not mentioned after Acts 1. Believers, however are told by Jesus to go into the world and preach the Gospel and are given Spiritual Gifts for the edification of the Body.

I think both things are true.

Matthew 7:16 You will know them by their fruits.

Matthew 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

If an apple tree has bad fruit, I can say that it’s a bad tree.

It is true that, since there have been more Catholics over time than any other Christian, there have been more bad Catholics with more bad fruit.

Good thing there is a reliable vine dresser who can clean us up!

(Mannyfit) The Catholic Church worship is centered on the Blessed Eucharist. For in the Catholic Church, we believe the Real Presence of Jesus Christ present within the Eucharist. His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity is there. Though the physical appears remain Blood and unleaven Bread, the Eucharist during the consecration becomes Jesus. The Eucharist is the source and summit of our faith.

Go to mass, get your stomach pumped at the hospital.

May it never be! Instead, may I have health in mind and body!

Any flesh in your stomach? No. Any other blood but your own? No.
Funny how you take that literally but you don’t pluck out your eye or cut off your hand. Jesus also said that he’s a vine and a gate.
You take things literally only to further your own cause and not the cause of the Gospel. All allegories to help you understand God’s Will for all of mankind.

I see that you do not discern the body and the blood. How do you suppose it happened that this was the belief of the church for 1500 years until the protestant teaching came up?

How do you suppose that all those who learned from the apostles were taught this?

Spent over 20 years in the catholic religion and went to catechism. I’ve learned enough. As far as these threads, non-catholics was invited here.

That is very sad, kujo, I mean, that you had such poor teaching and poor examples of the faith. I hope that love will cover a multitude of sins.

 

[guanophore]

!. Scripture is not for private interpretation.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

By this do you mean that you interpret this verse differently? Do you believe that everyone should make their own private interpretation ?

1. Jesus died once for our sins.

1. Work at the cross was finished.
   Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and
   gave up the ghost.
2. Holy Spirit is our teacher.
   Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach
   you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Are you under some misconception that the Catholic Church teaches otherwise on any of these points ?

5 Forbidding to marry and abstaining from meat.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Do you think celibacy is a doctrine of the devil?

Did you know that the Catholic church does not command abstaining from meat? Where did you come up with that?!

1. We are forbidden to receive any other doctrine other than that which the apostles gave us and sealed with their testimony. To do otherwise would make me accursed.
   Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Are you saying that you wish to receive other doctrine that goes against what the apostles taught? What would that be?

1. Vain repetition when praying.
   Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for
   their much speaking.

Can you give an example of this?

1. Only one mediator between man and God.
   1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
   1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
   This leaves out anyone other that Jesus Christ. Praying to or through anyone else is against the scripture.

There are many examples of commandments in scripture to pray for one another. The Apostles also ask for prayers in their letters.

Do you not believe that those who die “in Christ” are with Christ?

1. We are all priest if Christ is in us.
   Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
   Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

This is true, and it is also true that all priests submit to their bishop! This is the authority that Jesus appointed.

1. The Bible clearly shows that all those who are in Christ church are called Saints.

And that is uncatholic how?

You asked for three reasons why I am not a Catholic yet. These are just a few. I do not wish to be offensive but to simply teach scripture.

Do you know where that bible came from that you are using to whack us on the head. ?

Jesus said: Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
That sword is the word of God. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Amen! And Who is that Word?

Glory be to the most High God in Jesus name.

Amen!

 

[Mannyfit75]

kujo313
What is the Church’s warcry?

Matthew 16:16

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Later, Peter DENIED Jesus three times. THAT is not the “rock”. Those who keep Matthew 16:16 in focus IS the rock.

After the Resurrection, Jesus ask Peter "Do you love me? Three times. He said yes. He also told Peter, feed my sheep. The Rock in Matthew 16:18 is Peter. Why else did Jesus change Simon to Peter. The name Peter itself is Rock. The Aramaic word for Rock is Cephas which means Rock. So your exegesis of the Matthew is a straw.

 

[guanophore]

With all due respect, I refer you to #5 in my post.

1. We are forbidden to receive any other doctrine other than that which the apostles gave us and sealed with their testimony. To do otherwise would make me accursed.
   Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

I do not disrespect you I simple disagree with teachings other that the apostles doctrine. Remember the words of our Lord Jesus Christ were written down by the apostles that He himself chose to give us our doctrine.

With that said I believe in baptism but not as you have presented. I am justified to the Lord God almighty by my faith and not by any works such as baptism.

Brotherly Love in Christ Jesus
Danny

Does that mean that you do not believe the teachings on baptism came from the apostles? What DO you believe about baptism?

 

[guanophore]

I believe if you take a closer look at this topic you will understand there is a difference as to vain repetious prayers and what you have cited as scriptual proof of repetition.

Mat 26:44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the
same words.

The Lord prayed on three separate occasions. Do you not pray every day for your family, children, guidance, deliverance, forgiveness of transgressions, etc. This is not vain repetitions that the Bible is refering to. If you do not get an answer to prayer the first time then keep pressing in in the power of the Holy Ghost. God wants to hear from his children more than anything. All we have to offer God is our prayers and our praise and worship. Jesus was pressing in to the Father God.

This reference to the Psalm of David is not a prayer but praise and worship via a song.

Websters 1828 Dictionary defines Psalm.
PSALM, n. s`am. [L. psalmus; Gr. to touch or beat, to sing.]
A sacred song or hymn; a song composed on a divine subject and in praise of God. The most remarkable psalms are those composed by David and other Jewish saints, a collection of one hundred and fifty of which constitutes a canonical book of the Old Testament, called Psalms, or the book of Psalms. The word is also applied to sacred songs composed by modern poets, being versifications of the scriptural psalms, or of these with other parts of Scripture, composed for the use of churches; as the Psalms of Tate and Brady, of Watts, &c.

All the Psalms of David are so beautiful they bring joy and comfort to my heart and tears in some cases to my eyes.

In the following scripture you reference, the four beast are not praying but worshiping and praising and adoring God.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
.
Psa 150:5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
**Psa 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD. **
Hope this helps to clear up the matter.

May God bless you and keep you in your search for the light of the glorious Gospel.

It does nothing of the sort! All you have written here is very Catholic, and I still don’t understand what you mean by “vain repetitions”.

 

[guanophore]

Can you please tell me how people were “Saved” before the year 400AD .

You know! It’s in the Bible! Read all about it.

Baptism for the forgiveness of sins:

Acts 2:38
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Acts 2:41-42
41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls."

Acts 22:16
16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ "

Matt 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, **baptizing them **in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

I looked this up, and it did not say anything about inviting Jesus into the heart as a personal lord and savior…

 

[Mommyof02green]

5 Forbidding to marry and abstaining from meat.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Did you know that the Catholic church does not command abstaining from meat? Where did you come up with that?!

In all fairness, even I know he’s referring to abstaining from meat on Fridays.
newadvent.org/cathen/01067a.htm

 

[Church_Militant]

You’ll have to include your denomination to that list, too. Claiming to be THE true church of Jesus Christ yet, there are those who are “Maryologists” others who DO worship other people in and out of the Bible and build shrines to them.

Bunkum. Even if someone did, that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. Though you wish it was so you could have a valid attack.

The RCC lists all other denomintations as false yet parts of the RCC, itself are anti-Scripture and anti-Christ.

More propaganda. You cannot support this in another thread though you are welcome to make the attempt at which time my Catholic brothers and sisters and I will dismantle your allegations with simple facts.

Sure, the gates of Hell will not prevail against the TRUE Church, but it’s not found in any one denomination including the RCC.

So you say…

Find a denomination that does not go outside those boundries…
But, then again, it quotes Scripture. You’d probably say “sola scriptula”, shake your head and quote some pope, bishop or priest who nullify the Word of God.

Y’know, you really should make a greater attempt to abide by the Forum Rules that you agreed to when you joined us here at CAF. You’ve been here long enough to know better…

CONDUCT RULES

1. Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board.

We do not need the “teaching of the ages” (the tradition of men) to understand the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is all we need to understand the Word of God. 1 John 2:26-27 says,

Based on the myriad of wildly unscriptural teachings coming out of the modern post reformation non-Catholic Churches, I’d have to say that they all could benefit greatly from comparing what they think the New Testament says with what the early church says about it…there is no justification for the wild departures that today pass for Christian teaching in the vast majority of n-C churches, regardless of their denominational affiliation.

 

[kujo313]

Kujo, you are criticizing something that is made up. These things you think Catholics believe and teach are not what is believed and taught! I don’t know where you got your erroneous information. Of course Mary was saved from sin just like you and I! Of course she needed a saviour! She received Him when the angel Gabriel came to her to announce Him, both in her heart, and in her womb.

Very good!

I received Jesus at Fort Hood, Texas at the Black Horse Chapel. Just as Mary carried Jesus in her womb, Jesus was born in me. Jesus said that WE are the temples of the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit is, the Father and Son are, too.

So, you see, instead of focusing any attention on Mary or anybody else, we should be focusing our attention on God and God alone.

Romans 8:16-17

“The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.”

God Bless

 

[Mannyfit75]

Very good!

I received Jesus at Fort Hood, Texas at the Black Horse Chapel. Just as Mary carried Jesus in her womb, Jesus was born in me.

The only difference is that you did not brought forth Jesus. Jesus was born of a woman, Mary, and Jesus was in her womb for 9 months.

Jesus was not born in you. You have Jesus in you but not born in you.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Very good!

I received Jesus at Fort Hood, Texas at the Black Horse Chapel. Just as Mary carried Jesus in her womb, Jesus was born in me. Jesus said that WE are the temples of the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit is, the Father and Son are, too.

So, you see, instead of focusing any attention on Mary or anybody else, we should be focusing our attention on God and God alone.

Romans 8:16-17

“The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.”

God Bless

The love we Catholics have for Mary is the same love I have for my mother. I love my natural mother but I love Jesus more.

You can’t judge a Catholic’s heart when they say they love more or give her more honor than she deserve. Her honor in the Church is not above God. That has never been the case.

It seem to me that you can read the hearts of Catholic whose love for Mary seem to be more than that of God. You are truly mislead for you, a mere human do not have the capability to read the hearts of men and women.

Catholics love God deeply, and they love their spiritual mother Mary just as they do their natural mother.

 

[Bennie_P]

Very good!

I received Jesus at Fort Hood, Texas at the Black Horse Chapel. Just as Mary carried Jesus in her womb, Jesus was born in me. Jesus said that WE are the temples of the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit is, the Father and Son are, too.

So, you see, instead of focusing any attention on Mary or anybody else, we should be focusing our attention on God and God alone.

Romans 8:16-17

“The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.”

God Bless

I made a decision to follow Christ at the motor pool of the 13th Signal BN on April 18, 1974 at Ft Hood, TX, after a long talk with a Chaplin that was a minister with the Church of the Nazarene (Wesleyan). About two weeks later on May 5, 1974 I was Baptized, thus I was born again at the First Baptist Church of Killeen. On April 15th, 2006 I was confirmed and received into full-communion into the Catholic Church. All that has nothing to do with this thread as does your conversion story. I give it to show you that I have been lead by the Spirit to follow my Lord Jesus by route of many different Churchs and have somewhat of a understanding of many of thier teachings, doctrines and values. I understand you having misgivens about the Catholic Church , for it took me 31 years to see were God wanted me to be. Twenty of those married to a Catholic while I continued in a “non-denomination” mind set.

What I don’t understand is why you don’t have an understanding of the book of Galatians Chapter 5 verses 22 -26?

Most that have responded to you have asked you to look beyond prejudgment and look at what the Church teaches, from the Church sources. I respect your decision not to accept those teachings, but can you at lest show respect to a fellow Christian and look at the Church teachings on these points? Instead of just blowing us off? WWJD?

Gal 5:22-26 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

One other question, Why do you use a Japanese name, better known as a very evil dog from a Stephen King novel for your users name? are you of Japanese descent? Not that it matters.
:byzsoc: :harp:

 

[guanophore]

. Surely it left a mark on her soul but it still doesnt make her extra-special. She was still a human being, a sinner, which means she was not perfect, she still needed Christ to die for her. She could feel honored that God chose her but God did it not because Mary was any more or less special then some other people. Jesus`s birth did not depend on Mary!

He did depend upon her, as His eartlhy mother. But you are right, in order to sanctify her so that He could do that, he did have to die for her. However, the merits of his sacrifice were applied to her in advance, so that He could become fully human. It is really a Christological arguement that was settled by the church in the early centuries. If He did not take His humanity from Mary, then he was not fully Human. But, being divine, He could not take that humanity from a person stained by original sin.

I am curious, though, what is so bad about Mary being extra special? Don’t you think others have been chosen to be extra special? Like Abraham, Joseph, Moses, etc?

. I agree with the first part, that Jesus was no ordinary human being, but how can you treat Mary the same way you treat the Creator of the universe? THIS is very inconsistent, to treat the Creator and his creation in the same way. ALL honor should belong to God and God only.

Honor of divinity, yes, but there are other “lesser” honors. Jesus affirmed the validity of the 10 commandments, which tell us to honor our father and mother. I am sure that Jesus followed this, don’ t you? If it was good enough for Jesus to honor Mary as mother, it is good enough for us too.

Catholics believe that Mary was always obedient to God, and that God honored her because of it.

John 12:26
26 If any one serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there shall my servant be also; if any one serves me, the Father will honor him."

Acts 5:12-13

12 Now many signs and wonders were done among the people by the hands of the apostles. And they were all together in Solomon’s Portico. 13 None of the rest dared join them, but the people held them in high honor."

Honor is not a problem, so long as it is passed on to the Source.

Rom 12:9-10

9 Let love be genuine; hate what is evil, hold fast to what is good; 10 love one another with brotherly affection; outdo one another in showing honor."

Many say that Catholics overdo the honor to Mary. However, when I stand before Christ, I will feel confident that I showed respect for His mother, and kept the commandment to honor my mother.

Scripture teaches us that we should even honor our secular leaders, who certainly deserve it less than Mary!

Rom 13:5-7
6 For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due."

It is the teaching of the Apostles that leads us to honor the saints:

Phil 2:29-3:1
9 So receive him in the Lord with all joy; and honor such men, 30 for he nearly died for the work of Christ, risking his life to complete your service to me."

Should they be less honored after they have passed over?

Tradition teaches us that Mary was widowed rather young. At that time, widows were to be taken in by the nearest family member. Jesus cared for His mother until His ministry took Him from her. AT that time, He gave her to John. What a privilege for John!

1 Tim 5:3
" Honor widows who are real widows."

We don’t know how long she lived, but all the accounts in the NT state that she was present serving the disciples.

1 Tim 5:17
17 Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor,"

She honored the Apostles, and they honored her in return.

. It is impossible for you to say that. What Noah had to endure lasted for hudreds of years while Mary`s task was limited to how many, maybe the first 12-15 years or so? And it is not only about Noah, go through the Bible and see how many people were chosen for special tasks which were quite more painful, stressful, responsible etc. than the task given to Mary. The point is that God was picking and chosing people and that He had plans with each one of them.

No, I think she was with him until the bitter end. 33 years or so. There is no one that spent more time with Jesus. I will not compare her suffering to others who have suffered, because each person is called to their own suffering. I do agree, God chose certain people, and had plans for them.

 

[guanophore]

Dear Lily;

The same place Techno 2000 got his question.

Jesus is Lord of All
Danny

I think ya better go back and read the question again…

 

[guanophore]

I submit to you that the catholic church is bursting with the Body of Christ… Protestants, as Christians, joined later on but they joined none the less… As ONE we are the Body of Christ of which the gates of Hell shall not prevail… Makes me smile everytime!

I agree with you, but I think our kujo here does not want to be part of anything Catholic, even if it does belong to Jesus…

 

[guanophore]

Protestants joined the catholic church? Although you are right that we all belong to the Body of Christ but you mistaken that the Protestants are in communion with the Catholic Church. Actually Protestants protested against the Catholic Church.

There is a difference between catholic and Catholic.

You are right, of course, but since there is only one church, we must all, by default, belong thereto. This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church.

 

[guanophore]

Actually, your church wandered away from the Truth and worshipped the created instead of the Creator. Your church puts their trust in a fallible man in Rome instead of the infallible Word of God.

Here is another example of bearing false witness, kujo. The Catholic Church puts all trust in the triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (I dare you to find the word Trinity in your bible!)

Men are fallible, yes, but God is not. Jesus is God. Jesus appointed His apostles to carry on His church. He promised that He would remain with them until the end of the age, and that the HS would guide them into all truth. Just as you read in the book of Acts at the council of Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit works through God’s appointed authorities to make decisions about His teachings for the current time and issues.

 

[guanophore]

Look up “worship” at Dictionary.com. Yes you do.

Sacred revelation is not expressed through through dictionary.com, kujo. I am glad you are reading it, because it sounds like you never graduated High School, and there are a lot of words you don’t understand.

However, Christians believe that the meaning of words related to salvation are defined by Christ, and by the authorities He appointed. Do you have an authority problem, kujo?

You are bearing false witness when you accuse Catholics of worshipping saints. God alone is worthy of worship. I would like to believe that you are spreading these lies because you are ignorant (uneducated) or wrongly educated. From some of the links I have seen that you are using, it is very plausible that you have been misinformed.

 

[guanophore]

One of the many meanings that dictionary.com gave was this:
to attend services of divine worship.

Today being Sunday I attended a service of divine worship. We call this “Mass”.

Here is a link to the words that were said today (and every Mass).

catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/Mass.htm

As you can see I worship God and God ALONE.

I don’t know if you have ever sat in a Catholic Church on a Sunday and see with your own two eye how Catholics really worship.

Maybe you should. Just so you can see with your own two eyes how Catholics really worship. (Just an idea)

If that’s too much to do that’s fine. There always the possibility to see with your own eyes how Catholic Worship via the comforts of your PC or TV.

EWTN is one of the many channels that does air the Catholic Mass. Here is a link to EWTN program schedule. This schedule will allow you to see when the Mass is on TV.

EWTN program schedule: ewtn.com/tv/schedule_index.asp

Here is a link that will allow you to watch Live feed of EWTN via your PC. (This is helpful if you don’t have EWTN in your area)

Link to watch live feed of EWTN via your PC:
ewtn.com/audiovideo/index.asp

May God Bless you now and forever.

kujo claims to be a cradle Catholic for 20 years that went to catechism. It stands to reason that he has been to Mass, and does not understand. Earlier today I read a post from him that said Catholics should go have their stomach pumped after Mass, to see if Jesus’ flesh was there. Clearly he does not perceive the Body and the Blood. I think he is not ready to be in Mass, and maybe he was never ready!