Name one or two ways the Roman Catholic Church has been protestantized

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In homilies, priests never speak of Purgatory - ever.

greeting each other during Mass… :mad:

In homilies, priests also never address how erroneous the once-saved-always-saved doctrine is… or the prosperity doctrine… etc…
 
greeting each other during Mass…

This is not in and of itself Protestant. When I was a Baptist, we never did this.
 
distracted said:
In homilies, priests never speak of Purgatory - ever.

greeting each other during Mass… :mad:

In homilies, priests also never address how erroneous the once-saved-always-saved doctrine is… or the prosperity doctrine… etc…
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Cluny said:
greeting each other during Mass…

This is not in and of itself Protestant. When I was a Baptist, we never did this.
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in other churches, they kind of socialize with each other or even interact with the pastor… by saying Amen, etc…

I always liked the way the Mass would focus on God and His Son… and there wasn’t all this half-way socializing stuff going on during Mass…

another thing i don’t like about shaking hands during Mass (other than it distracts the attn from God) is that some people know each other & therefore are or seem to be more friendly toward their acquantances at this time of the Mass than they are to unknowns… or people who, for instance, work for a living and may not be in their Sunday best or what have you…
 
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  1. By Vatican II ignoring the mandate of PIUS V in Quo Primum not to change the Mass,
  2. Paul VI’s new mass has the wrong words of consacration “for all” when it s/h/b “for many”. I know there are several versions but the way “the changes” wre inacted here in the US substantiate my assertion.
  3. Acceptance de factor of homosectuality especially in the priesthood.
 
The Cafeteria, on one end of the spectrum, and…
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The SSPX, on the other end…

Neither are faithful to the Magisterium and the Holy Father.
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With respect to the Mass, let’s consider a few of the changes to the liturgy that the Protestant heretics of the 16th century employed and see if there are any similarities to the new Mass.

1.) The heretics changed the language from Latin to the vernacular.

2.) The heretics began to receive communion under both forms.

3.) The heretics received in the hand while standing.

4.) The heretics stripped their churches of the statues, and replaced Gregorian chant with more secular style music.

5.) The heretics downplayed the sacrificial nature of the Mass, and focused on the community meal aspect.

6.) The heretics had the minister begin to face the people.

7.) And lastly they offered their service on a table, rather than an altar.

Let us consider if any of these changes are found in the new Mass. If so, we should ask ourselves if the heretics were correct in what they did? Were they being led by the Holy Ghost, but just a little ahead of their time? And let us also consider the “fruits” of the heretics “mass” and those of the Novus Ordo. In both cases the fruits have been generally the same: A loss of faith in the sacrificial nature of the Mass and in belief in the true presence. In short, a loss of the Catholic faith.
 
I am respectfully going to ask a question. What purpose does it serve to ask a question like this other than to provide yet another venue for people to air their gripes about the Church? There are literally thousands of posts dealing with these topics, and exactly what has been accomplished?

If you want a more faithful Catholicism, you do what Saints throughout the ages have done-get down on your knees and pray. And sacrifice. Then get up and go to work spreading the Gospel and live your life as an example to others. And submit everything to God’s will. Want what He wants, not what you want. Prayer is what is going to change things. It is the only thing that has any real power. Find something positive about this great Church of ours and build on that. It is God’s Church, don’t trash it. Despite what things may go on, God loves all His people and He loves His Church, He has promised the gates of Hell will not prevail against it, and they won’t. Believe that.

Grow up in your faith, focus on Christ instead of what you don’t like, pray, and you will see great things happen in your life and in his Church. Otherwise you’re just going to find yourself constantly complaining about things and accomplishing nothing.
 
  1. The way they design and decorate Churches now–abandoning the traditional cross floor plan in favor of the gather around the campfire, let’s have a sing-along design.
  2. Placing the tabernacle in the back of the Church, on the side of the Church or even worse–in another room altogether.
  3. Putting up crosses instead of the crucifix–this is the pinnacle of Protestanism in Catholic churches. It always reminds me of the bad thief taunting Jesus to come down off his cross.
 
“Christ” replaced by “Jesus”.
I mean, Almighty God replaced by “my friend J.C.”
 
Glory to Jesus Christ!

I would have to say introducing “altar girls” and EMHCs, in addition to adopting praise and worship music with all the acoutraments that come with it. One could also argue that the liturgy being watered down and gutted the way it was (lack of incense, more “active laity” in the sense of abandoning the order of Lector and Subdeacon, etc.).

That is what I have noticed personally in going to the “new Mass.”

In Christ,
Andrew
 
Getting rid of the minor orders which were steps to the priesthood, and usurping the minor orders with priest wannabes - lay ministers and married deacons. Sure smacks of protestantism to me.

Never mentioning the word soul.

Getting rid of the idea of sin because nothing’s a sin anymore (unless you espouse traditional Catholic teaching).
 
PBTY said:
Getting rid of the minor orders which were steps to the priesthood, and usurping the minor orders with priest wannabes - lay ministers and married deacons. Sure smacks of protestantism to me.

Never mentioning the word soul.

Getting rid of the idea of sin because nothing’s a sin anymore (unless you espouse traditional Catholic teaching).
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Deacons are deacons, no matter if they’re permanent or transitional.
 
Leopard said:
Electric lights, air-conditioning and microphones!
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But no coat racks.

Catholics can rejoice that the infamous and heretical “Protestant coat rack” has not impinged upon the Catholic Church…yet. (Bwoo ha ha!)
 
Harpazo said:
Glory to Jesus Christ!

I would have to say introducing “altar girls” and EMHCs, in addition to adopting praise and worship music with all the acoutraments that come with it. One could also argue that the liturgy being watered down and gutted the way it was (lack of incense, more “active laity” in the sense of abandoning the order of Lector and Subdeacon, etc.).

That is what I have noticed personally in going to the “new Mass.”

In Christ,
Andrew
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Since when do Protestant churches, at least of the evangelical variety, have altar girls OR boys!!! Or the “Eucharist?” Or “liturgy?”

The mainlines (which are getting smaller every year) are getting away from these traditions, and the evangelical/Pentecostal/fundamental Protestant churches, which include the majority of Protestants in the U.S., never had these things.

Keep in mind that the mainline churches–the ones who used liturgy and other traditions that they borrowed from the Catholic Church–are the churches that first began teaching (back in the 1960s and 1970s) such sinfjul teachings as “homosexual pastors,” “homosexual marriages,” “the myth of the resurrection,” “hell does not exist,” “the devil does not exist,” “Jesus was just a good man”, “abortion rights,” etc.

The evangelical/Pentecostal/fundamental churches which have rejected liturgy and the “traditions of man” have, for the most part, not fallen into error when it comes to the basic doctrines of Christianity (Deity of Christ, Trinity, Heaven and Hell, resurrection, etc.).

I’m not saying we should jettison liturgy and tradition. What I’m saying is that it is no guarantee of heresy-free churches.
 
In my opinion there is a big difference between the end result of a permanent married deacon, and a transitional deacon as one of the steps resulting in ordination to the priesthood. Why be a priest when you can be a married deacon? Hopefully, the Church will put an end to the proliferation of married deacons as a perceived solution to the lack of priestly vocations. What if we end up ten years from now with a ratio of 95% married deacons to 5% priests?
 
distracted said:
In homilies, priests never speak of Purgatory - ever.

greeting each other during Mass… :mad:

In homilies, priests also never address how erroneous the once-saved-always-saved doctrine is… or the prosperity doctrine… etc…
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I will address the greeting each other first - not done in my Parish, don’t remember if it ever was in all the different Priest’s we have had.

Now for the other two, I hear homilies on them all the time!

Guess you are just going to have to move to a more orthodox area of your city or to a different State.

Brenda V.
 
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