Nancy Pelosi Defends Abortion Comments After Catholic Rebuke

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Re: her original commentary…I thought, who died and made her bishop?

I’d respect her a lot more if she just said, I disagree with the Catholic Church on this issue and will conduct myself as such in my political life.

Her lame attempt to reinterpret Church history and teaching impresses no one. She’s looking ever a bigger fool.
 
hazmatdude said:
Speaker Pelosi has embarassed herself again. Unfortunately its not the first time nor will it be the last. You would think that the voters in California would finally have the sense to turn her out of office.

Thank god for the strong statements coming from some Bishop’s around the country and the USCCB. On Sept. 5th we will be able to see what her Archbishop Niederauer has to say about Nancy. Check out the Archdiocese of San Francisco’s website.
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Please don’t blame all of California for Pelosi. There’s lots of nuts in the San Francisco orchard. As for the bishop, I’m reserving comment. A long time friend of “progressive” bishops, he has been impotent thus far in dealing with the Bay madness.

Feinstein and Boxer, yup, those would be ALL of California’s fault, right along with the (name removed by moderator).
 
CTA1967 said:
You mean the newly self-ordained American pope?
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That would be the one… She is only the pope for the Cafeteria Catholic Church though. 😛 😃

I think that would make her more of a “lunch lady” though, wouldn’t it? 😉
 
rlg94086 said:
She is only the pope for the Cafeteria Catholic Church though. 😛 😃

I think that would make her more of a “lunch lady” though, wouldn’t it? 😉
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:rotfl:

And how would she get people to obey her?

Having thrown off authority, she sets herself up as an authority. :rolleyes:
 
Most of the above responses are apropriate, but, taken in a different light Speaker Pelosi has done us all a tremendous favor. She has done something even the pope couldn’t do: unite he U. S. bishops.
Since her ridiculous comments were made on national TV and contained grave error, they demanded response by the bishops. And their response has been rapid, clear and cogent. The blog WDTPRS lists more than a dozen comments by bishops and cardinals.
Finally, all of the weazel words are gone and the teaching is Magisterial, without exception.
Now, the social and cafeteria Catholics have no place to hide on the abortion issue. And, typically, Pelosi hasen’t backed down.
Is the first public shot by Amchurch? :cool:
 
rlg94086 said:
I don’t know…fear of the Sacred Mystery Meat? 😛
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As I sit at my computer with a “flying can opener” on my shoulder (large white cockatoo) telling me how perfect she is I could not stop laughing. I now imagine Mrs Pelosi as a big white bird repeating how perfect she is while serving cafeteria mystery meat. Thank you for the laugh.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 
Copperman said:
Fair point. Should pro-death penalty Catholic politicians be excommunicated as well?
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Of course they should, if they advocate, promote, and implement the execution of the innocent. That would be far beyond the natural law right to self defense that society delegates in its government.
 
Strider said:
Most of the above responses are apropriate, but, taken in a different light Speaker Pelosi has done us all a tremendous favor. She has done something even the pope couldn’t do: unite he U. S. bishops. . .
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I see her in the role of Gollum in The Lord of the Rings. As Gandalf pointed out, he too had an important part to play.
 
Copperman said:
Fair point. Should pro-death penalty Catholic politicians be excommunicated as well?
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No,and neither should and anti-death penalty candate.

Abortion is not only a black and white, clear objective evil, it is also the most prevalent evil in America today, based on the sheer numbers who are slain every year in the name of convenience, choice and the American way of life. Naturally a godly bishop addresses the worst problems with the greatest fervor.
 
mlchance said:
Of course not. One cannot be excommunicated for refusing to condemn something that the Church herself hasn’t condemned.

– Mark L. Chance.
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Should you be excommunicated for advocating the excommunication of someone who is not in conflict with Church teaching?

Let’s take a deep breath.

People excommunicate themselves when they commit grave sin that separates themselves from Christ. Since Christ is the head of his Church, grave sin also separates the sinner from those joined to Christ in baptism–the Church.

A formal pronouncement of excommunication is exceeding rare. It is a teaching tool, a call to repent, and a warning to others faced with difficult choices. We do not formally pronounce excomminication on your average? serial killer because everyone knows that is wrong, and no one publicly defends that behavior. What makes abortion different is that it is also gravely evil, but it does have public advocates in need of instruction for the good of their own souls and for those who may be influenced by them.
 
Trader said:
Should you be excommunicated for advocating the excommunication of someone who is not in conflict with Church teaching?

Let’s take a deep breath.

People excommunicate themselves when they commit grave sin that separates themselves from Christ. Since Christ is the head of his Church, grave sin also separates the sinner from those joined to Christ in baptism–the Church.

A formal pronouncement of excommunication is exceeding rare. It is a teaching tool, a call to repent, and a warning to others faced with difficult choices. We do not formally pronounce excomminication on your average? serial killer because everyone knows that is wrong, and no one publicly defends that behavior. What makes abortion different is that it is also gravely evil, but it does have public advocates in need of instruction for the good of their own souls and for those who may be influenced by them.
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Excommunication is so exceeding rare that people see it as almost non-existent. I believe excommunication should be rare, yet used somewhat more often then it is as a teaching and correction tool for those in public leading others into sin.

Correction by the Catholic Church is necessary. If we are to keep the true faith alive the Catholic Church needs to be seen as the one unified body of believers that we are meant to be and not just another faith community of the many thousands out there.

I believe prior to any excommunication our Bishops and priests must make every effort to correct those that teach wrongly in private first. (it should not take decades) I then believe that very public statements made to everyone involved (the public included) is the next step so those teaching wrongly can see and or hear the official teachings and stance of the Catholic Church. If these teachings are then publicly disagreed with and still erroneously taught and spoken by those in public authority (politicians and clergy) then excommunication is the proper response by the Church.
 
Copperman said:
Fair point. Should pro-death penalty Catholic politicians be excommunicated as well?
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Apples and oranges. Supporting the death penalty isn’t a sin; supporting, getting an abortion, however are.
 
Nino said:
Yeh,and the Demoncrate party lost the civil war…of course they did not…it was a solid south on 1860 and it was on 1865 and to this present day…so this gal is like the Kennedy clan…they are the true haters…in the Hypocratic oath there is or was a stand against abortion…it stands to reason…(oops,watch it) that since the mom is but a temporary host she has no right to kill the developing baby inside of her…and so this Pelosi likes to smirk and insult as did the Kennedy clan,Guiliani etc etc…they claim to be tolerant but instead of admitting they hate the Catholic church and all it stands for,they ‘stay in’ to get away with insulting it and also us of course…as to the one issue…back again to 1860 there was one major issue…the expansion of slavery,the demoncrates wanted to get more of the new states entering the Union ,to be slave states,that way their rep in congress increases proportionatly…its quite simple…just instruct the parish that these phony catholics attend that the ushers are to inform the politician that they can stand in line but will not receive the sacred host but rather just a powerful sign of the cross and a mild move along shove…so as to not cause a scene! Biden of course is another one that is intolerant and insults us all the time…say,notice how these peace activists only picket when America is in the ‘wrong’ but never when Russia is…as in Giorgia…mmmmmmmmm
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I just read this post, which seems to be a personal attack on a number of individuals. In response I would like to repost a warning from another thread by one of the mods:
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Moderator Note:
I’ve edited and deleted a number of posts in this thread.

You may discuss abortion, poverty’s effects on abortion, Catholic solutions to abortion, and how Catholic theology may affect voting choices.

You may not discuss Republican, Democrat, or Third Party platforms, candidates, or voting records. Nor may you discuss any person who is seeking or has sought political office. You may not discuss politics or politicians.

What you may discuss is the Catholic theology concerning abortion, poverty, and voting within the scope of answering the original post. How that applies to specific candidates or parties may not be discussed.

If you do not keep the conversation within the forum guidelines, it will be removed completely and violators will receive infractions.
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mlchance said:
Of course not. One cannot be excommunicated for refusing to condemn something that the Church herself hasn’t condemned.

– Mark L. Chance.
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The Catholic Church has condemned the death penalty. It’s in their Catechism.
 
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