Nancy Pelosi Defends Abortion Comments After Catholic Rebuke

[guanophore]

The Catholic Church has condemned the death penalty. It’s in their Catechism.

Well, not exactly, but that is a topic for another thread!

 

[rlg94086]

The Catholic Church has condemned the death penalty. It’s in their Catechism.

Hi Chris,

Not exactly…here is the reading regarding the death penalty:

**2267 **Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - **the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent.”
**

So, the teaching of the Church is that it is licit, but should be rare or non-existent. If you do some searching on CAF, you’ll see some reasoned arguments from both sides of the issue.

For your future use, here is a great link to the Catechism online…it has a great search feature, so you can find things by subject.
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

 

[mlchance]

The Catholic Church has condemned the death penalty. It’s in their Catechism.

As explained by rlg94086 above and by the CCC itself, no the Church has not condemned the death penalty. Instead, the Church has placed certain qualifiers that clarify when the death penalty is acceptable. The Church has placed no such acceptability qualifiers on abortion. The two issues are not morally equivalent according to the Church, and it is wrong to state otherwise.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[KathleenElsie]

The Catholic Church has condemned the death penalty. It’s in their Catechism.

WRONG do some research on what you say in public about the actual teaching of the Catholic Church.

**2267 **Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

In our society today it should be almost not existent. But, the teachings of the Church allows for this when the guilt is proven (not just convicted of the crime) and there is no other way to keep societies members safe. If life in prison meant actual till physical death in prison then IMHO there would be no reason for the death penalty till then it is still licit.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

WRONG do some research on what you say in public about the actual teaching of the Catholic Church.

In our society today it should be almost not existent. But, the teachings of the Church allows for this when the guilt is proven (not just convicted of the crime) and there is no other way to keep societies members safe. If life in prison meant actual till physical death in prison then IMHO there would be no reason for the death penalty till then it is still licit.

I was under the impression the church considered the death penalty to be immoral. Didn’t JP2 publically condemn every execution carried out in America?

 

[KathleenElsie]

I was under the impression the church considered the death penalty to be immoral. Didn’t JP2 publicly condemn every execution carried out in America?

Personal opinions are not the same as the opinion of the Church. Just look at the newspapers these past few weeks and see how this works. A priest, layperson, bishop or pope each can have personal opinions on issues. Abortion does not fall under personal opinion it is against set teachings.

The death penalty is not against set teachings and can still be debated. Many of us see this as leadership as to how the world should be but it does not make many issues the teaching of the Catholic Church.

I can believe some issues or civil laws are right or wrong (as can a pope or anyone else) but that does not mean the Church Teaching officially agrees or disagrees with me.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Personal opinions are not the same as the opinion of the Church. Just look at the newspapers these past few weeks and see how this works. A priest, layperson, bishop or pope each can have personal opinions on issues. Abortion does not fall under personal opinion it is against set teachings.

The death penalty is not against set teachings and can still be debated. Many of us see this as leadership as to how the world should be but it does not make many issues the teaching of the Catholic Church.

I can believe some issues or civil laws are right or wrong (as can a pope or anyone else) but that does not mean the Church Teaching officially agrees or disagrees with me.

When the Pope speaks, how do Catholics know when it is just his opinion and when he is stating church teaching?

 

[maggiemay2u]

Archbishop George H. Niederauer responds

sfarchdiocese.org/about-us/news/?i=1308

:yawn:

 

[Claudius]

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is responding to criticism from Catholic leaders who say she recently misrepresented the pro-life teachings of the Catholic Church in a recent interview. Pelosi said the Church did not have longstanding policies on abortion and the beginning of human life.

Full story: LifeNews.com/nat4216.html

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[Trader]

In the Speaker’s extensive study of Saint Augustine how did she miss

“Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
Right is right even if no one is doing it”?