Nancy Pelosi mistates the Church's position

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Fitswimmer said:
I haven’t totally left yet…but I haven’t been to Mass in nearly a month so I guess I’ve got one foot out the door.
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I hope you decide to stay in the Church. If it is sometimes contentious discussions in CAF are pushing you in that direction then you should be CAF long before you leave the church. As I said before the church needs people like yourself to show that it is possible to be a chaste homosexual following the faith.

I know your problems with some of the teachings of the Church as do I. in fact as to probably most Catholics. But the key is to accept them and work hard to understand.
 
estesbob said:
I hope you decide to stay inthe hurvh. If it is sometimes contentious discussions in CAF are pushing you in that direction then you should be CAF long before you leave the church. As I said before the church needs people like yourself to show that it is possible to be a chaste homosexual following the faith.

I know your problems with some of the teachings of the Church as do I. in fact as to probably most Catholics. But the key is to accept them and work hard to understand.
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What is a “hurvh”? 😛 Is it painful or fun to be in?

(Humor, Bob, just humor. :))

But I also agree with your sentiments. Fitswimmer, please stay in the Church, as well as the hurvh.
 
We can all mail her with plenty of Catholic teaching to show her that American voting Catholics were listening and we knew how wrong she was immediately and doublespeak will not work.

Nancy Pelosi
 
Fitswimmer said:
If you feel you cannot change your mind, that’s the obvious conclusion.

It’s our way or the highway!!
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Fitswimmer, I know you’ve been struggling with certain teachings; at least you’ve been honest about it. Nancy Pelosi is dishonest and spreading falsehoods, while masquerading as a “good Catholic.”

Would you really want to belong to a Church that let you make up your own rules as you went along? I wouldn’t. As the saying goes, you’ve got to stand for something, or you’ll fall for anything. The Church has always regarded abortion as homicide (pro-abortion politicians’ statements to the contrary) and this is one of the non-negotiables.
 
estesbob said:
Archbishop Chaput adressed this a bit in his sermon last night at 6:30 Mass

*If you’re Catholic and you disagree with your Church. What do you do? You change your mind.” *
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👍

I really miss having him as my Archbishop. Luckily, he is readily available in the national press and online!

With my luck, if I convinced the wife to move back to Colorado, he would be elevated to Cardinal and moved to a larger metro area. 😛 …not that it would be a bad thing…I’m just being selfish.
 
fix said:
Cannot change or will not change?
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Does it matter?

The fact is, I struggle with the Catholic church as far as civil rights are concerned. I have problems with the Bishops denying Communion to make what I feel is a political statement. I have problems with the emphasis on sexual issues over social justice. I have problems with the idea of enshrining the beliefs of my Church into civil law, because I would have problems with any other religion doing it. If I want to be free to worship as I choose, then I believe I must defend the right of other citizens to do the same, or to not worship at all.

I understand Catholics who want to stay in the Church despite their disagreements. I also understand the desire of those within the Church to rid it of “lukewarm” or “cafeteria” Catholics. That’s why I label myself…confused.

Thanks for the prayers, all. Clearly I am in need of them.
 
buffalo said:
We can all mail her with plenty of Catholic teaching to show her that American voting Catholics were listening and we knew how wrong she was immediately and doublespeak will not work.

Nancy Pelosi
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Please note, the above contact is for constituents only!! Please contact her here:
speaker.house.gov/contact/
in her capacity as Speaker we can ALL contact her and let her know the Truth!!

Anyone know what Bishops we contact with our concerns??
 
rascal_one said:
Yeah this really irked me too, but consider the source…

I heard the DNC was flying in Catholics from all over America to give the impression to voters that its ok to vote for someone who fights for infanticide. But so far they have not invited the Archbishop in the city of Denver itself - Archbishop Chaput - who is quite vocal in these matters…and wrote a great book about it - “Render Unto Ceasar”…

The sad part is this is giving “cover” for many Catholics…
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Chaput indirectly answered Pelosi in his homily yesterday. In general, however, the silence of the Church is troubling.
 
Fitswimmer said:
Does it matter?

The fact is, I struggle with the Catholic church as far as civil rights are concerned. I have problems with the Bishops denying Communion to make what I feel is a political statement.
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It’s not really a political statement. It is a “faith” statement. It is important to be very clear about Church teaching, especially when it comes to intrinsic evil. Allowing Catholic politicians, who are very visible to the public, to bring scandal to the Church by receiving communion in a publically visible state of mortal sin, is not good for the faith of the Church. This is especially true when it comes to intrinsic evil.
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Fitswimmer:
I have problems with the emphasis on sexual issues over social justice.

I have problems with the idea of enshrining the beliefs of my Church into civil law, because I would have problems with any other religion doing it.
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I separated the two sentences above, because I think it is important to see what you wrote. Would you have a problem “enshrining the beliefs of our Church into civil law” regarding social justice issues? My point, in case it isn’t obvious, is that a pluralistic society such as ours requires people of faith to vote their faith. Through that process, we agree on legislation that we can all live with. If we give up our beliefs in a false sense of “equality of views,” we will sink into relativism and might as well abolish all laws, so as not to offend someone’s beliefs.
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Fitswimmer:
If I want to be free to worship as I choose, then I believe I must defend the right of other citizens to do the same, or to not worship at all.
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No one is questioning the right to worship as we choose. Abortion is not worship.
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Fitswimmer:
I understand Catholics who want to stay in the Church despite their disagreements. I also understand the desire of those within the Church to rid it of “lukewarm” or “cafeteria” Catholics. That’s why I label myself…confused.

Thanks for the prayers, all. Clearly I am in need of them.
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John 6:
67 Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
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Fitswimmer said:
Does it matter?

The fact is, I struggle with the Catholic church as far as civil rights are concerned. I have problems with the Bishops denying Communion to make what I feel is a political statement. I have problems with the emphasis on sexual issues over social justice.
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BTW…this isn’t the first time communion has been denied to politicians. This previous action came up in the conversation between Raymond Arroyo and Archbishop Chaput on World Over:

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In March 1962, Archbishop Joseph Rummel of New Orleans announced that all Catholic schools in the archdiocese would be integrated starting that fall. Rummel, who condemned racial segregation as a sin in 1956, finally excommunicated three lay Catholic leaders who fought to keep the Archbishop from carrying out his desegregation plan.

I’m going to guess that most critics of Archbishop Naumann wouldn’t have a problem with what Archbishop Rummel did - racial segregation is considered repugnant by most thinking people now. But if that’s the case, why?

Why? Because there’s a broad consensus that racism is wrong, but there isn’t that abortion is the taking of innocent human life.

But if one believes that such a grave evil is being committed, how can you expect the archbishop to do nothing? Sebelius is not guilty of failing to live some specifically Catholic religious practice, but promoting and defending a violation of the natural law: that innocent human life cannot be taken.
The problem is that abortion has been reduced in the minds of many to a narrowly sectarian concern. But you don’t have to be Catholic, or even Christian, to grasp the problems inherent in a license to abortion.
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Do you applaud Archbishop Rummel for his stance against racism and excommunicating lay Catholic leaders who supported it? I most certainly do.
 
buffalo said:
We can all mail her with plenty of Catholic teaching to show her that American voting Catholics were listening and we knew how wrong she was immediately and doublespeak will not work.

Nancy Pelosi
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Unless you are a resident of her district comments to that address will bounce back to you
 
Fitswimmer said:
Does it matter?

The fact is, I struggle with the Catholic church as far as civil rights are concerned. I have problems with the Bishops denying Communion to make what I feel is a political statement. I have problems with the emphasis on sexual issues over social justice. I have problems with the idea of enshrining the beliefs of my Church into civil law, because I would have problems with any other religion doing it. If I want to be free to worship as I choose, then I believe I must defend the right of other citizens to do the same, or to not worship at all.
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There is no political statement about denying Communion to those who publicly advocate killing children. And as I’ve previously mentioned the church has just as much right to get its views enshrined in law’s as does any any of the individual or group. For instance Planned Parenthood pushes hard to have an abortion continue to be the law the land. Why should they have that right to get their views made into law but not the church?

The Catholic Church is the greatest champion for civil rights in this country. One of the reasons that this is true is that they push for civil rights for all, not just those fortunate enough to escape the womb.
I understand Catholics who want to stay in the Church despite their disagreements. I also understand the desire of those within the Church to rid it of “lukewarm” or “cafeteria” Catholics. That’s why I label myself…confused.
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Nobody in the laity of the Church has a right to tell you you should leave. You have just as much right to the church, confused and all, as does, any other Catholic.

Thanks for the prayers, all. Clearly I am in need of them.
 
Because Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, she has national attention. She is going to get press attention at every venue she attends. She can call a press conference anytime she wants, and the major media will attend.

It is in the realm of *that *power, the average non Catholic Christian, will associate “good” Catholic with the face of Pelosi.

But lets just call it like it is, she represents **San Francisco, **, things don’t come any stranger than that place. If she supported any pro life agenda, she’d be voted outta office so fast, she wouldn’t know what hit her.

There is only 2 ways to look at Pelosi and other pro choice, Catholic politicians. Either you believe 1( she really believes abortion is wrong, but supports pro choice laws to get elected and remain in office or 2( she actually does believe in the pro choice cause, and uses her influence to push the NARAL agenda. Both are not good.

As Speaker of the House, and with a democratic majority, you can rest assured ANY pro life measures will NEVER see the light of day, never mind a chance to get voted on. :mad:
 
This is the reply I got back. Doesn’t say she won’t read it.

I also did the Speaker of the House one.
Thank you for contacting my office.

Congressional courtesy prevents me from replying to emails if I cannot determine that you are a constituent of mine.

If you are not a resident of California’s 8th Congressional District and are contacting me in regard to my role as Speaker, please email me at AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov.

If you are a resident of the 8th District of California, please contact my office in Washington, DC at (202) 225-4965 to be added to our database.
 
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