Nancy Pelosi mistates the Church's position

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Didn’t the all the Bishops do that here, Deacon Ed??
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<<Bishops respond to House Speaker Pelosi’s misrepresentation of Church teaching against abortion

WASHINGTON–Cardinal Justin F. Rigali, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities, and Bishop William E. Lori, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Doctrine, have issued the following statement:

In the course of a “Meet the Press” interview on abortion and other public issues on August 24, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi misrepresented the history and nature of the authentic teaching of the Catholic Church against abortion.

In fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches, “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law.” (No. 2271)

In the Middle Ages, uninformed and inadequate theories about embryology led some theologians to speculate that specifically human life capable of receiving an immortal soul may not exist until a few weeks into pregnancy. While in canon law these theories led to a distinction in penalties between very early and later abortions, the Church’s moral teaching never justified or permitted abortion at any stage of development.

These mistaken biological theories became obsolete over 150 years ago when scientists discovered that a new human individual comes into being from the union of sperm and egg at fertilization. In keeping with this modern understanding, the Church teaches that from the time of conception (fertilization), each member of the human species must be given the full respect due to a human person, beginning with respect for the fundamental right to life.

More information on the Church’s teaching on this issue can be found in our brochure “The Catholic Church is a Pro-Life Church”. PDF Text

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If I read this correctly, these two bishops are heads of Committees. That does not carry the same weight as the Entire USCCB giving a unanimous declaration. If anyone out there has other information that says I am wrong, please provide it.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[jujubee]

Where did you find the link to email Meet the Press?

 

[Nordar]

Now would be the time for Pelosi to realize she has been wrong as a Catholic and line up her actions with the Church’s moral teaching. As a faithful Catholic, I am sure she will soon be in the news to announce her repentance.

Oh I am sure that announcement is imminent.:

 

[Tedster]

Just saw this thread, and I was supprised that no one has commented on Rush and what he said.

Here is Father Z’s blog entry on Rush’s comments:

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/08/rush-vivisecting-speaker-pelosi/

I am glad to see many Bishops and Catholic politicians are issuing statements condemning Pelosi’s remarks. I wonder what the Dems are thinking about this possible blunder!

 

[lizaanne]

:banghead: Please READ my posts before you respond. I agree with you about life being just as human and precious at conception, as at 20 weeks, as at birth, as at 10 or 20 or 90 years. All human lives. All equal. All should be protected.

Well my goodness, don’t go hurting yourself over this. Sorry - you are right, I did perhaps post before completely reading your comments.

My apologies.

~Liza

 

[Ridgerunner]

One does not get elected to the Senate by being stupid. Of course Nancy Pelosi knows what she is trying to sell is untrue. She knows it, but just doesn’t care.

It’s a terrible thing to contemplate the potential for a pro-abortion Senate, House, Supreme Court and White House.

 

[duskyjewel]

Well my goodness, don’t go hurting yourself over this. Sorry - you are right, I did perhaps post before completely reading your comments.

My apologies.

~Liza

Don’t worry, my head is hard. That’s where my 4 year old gets it!

 

[estesbob]

One does not get elected to the Senate by being stupid. Of course Nancy Pelosi knows what she is trying to sell is untrue. She knows it, but just doesn’t care.

It’s a terrible thing to contemplate the potential for a pro-abortion Senate, House, Supreme Court and White House.

She’s not in the Senate.

Yes she knows what she’s trying to sell is untrue but she and other pro-abortion Catholic politicians have been getting away with it for 30 years. It’s about time the bishops started to speak up.

 

[Ridgerunner]

She’s not in the Senate.

Yes she knows what she’s trying to sell is untrue but she and other pro-abortion Catholic politicians have been getting away with it for 30 years. It’s about time the bishops started to speak up.

Duh! Thanks for the correction.

There is going to be a lot more of the attempt to mislead Catholics before this election cycle is over. It’s really demeaning. I just hope it’s sufficiently transparent.

 

[maryj]

Now would be the time for Pelosi to realize she has been wrong as a Catholic and line up her actions with the Church’s moral teaching. As a faithful Catholic, I am sure she will soon be in the news to announce her repentance.

Oh I am sure that announcement is imminent.:

Maybe I’m just tired from a long day…do you doubt the power of prayer? Are you saying that God couldn’t convert her heart no matter how ignorant her statements? I believe I’ll trust.

 

[dixieagle]

She’s not in the Senate.

Yes she knows what she’s trying to sell is untrue but she and other pro-abortion Catholic politicians have been getting away with it for 30 years. It’s about time the bishops started to speak up.

Darn tootin’.

To gain some perspective on the origins of all this, read “The Faithful Departed” by Philip Lawler. Very eye-opening, and it details the role the Kennedys played in how “Catholic” politicians adopted the “personally opposed but my religion won’t affect the way I legislate” attitude with regard to abortion and how bishops were largely silent.

 

[Jennifer_J]

If I read this correctly, these two bishops are heads of Committees. That does not carry the same weight as the Entire USCCB giving a unanimous declaration. If anyone out there has other information that says I am wrong, please provide it.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

The fact that it’s posted on the USCCB website should mean something, but I understand what you mean. I, too, wish it was clearly a unanimous declaration, but what was posted is just a restatement of Church teaching, so does it really need it? I’m not sure, but I am happy that it was posted on the USCCB website!

 

[Nordar]

Maybe I’m just tired from a long day…do you doubt the power of prayer? Are you saying that God couldn’t convert her heart no matter how ignorant her statements? I believe I’ll trust.

Nope I don’t believe we said anything about doubting the power of prayer. Good for you it is always good to trust!

 

[thomasf]

I just wanted to add, I think Laura Ingram has been great on this issue with Pelosi and the bishops and the pro-life issue. Laura is a solid catholic convert and I love listening to her, I can get a lot of catholic-slanted politics that I can’t get on the ewtn affiliates because of non-profit status. She has been reporting all the stuff about Pelosi’s mistakes, and the Bishops response, etc. And she’s going to go after Pelosi and the dem vp candidate on this issue too.

I heard Rush’s show on monday and he was right on with everything about the church and its teachings. He may not be catholic, but he respects the church’s teachings and he realizes how important the pro-life catholic vote is to the pro-life party.

I think this, along with the dem presidential candidates goof at the debate last week, has been a huge mistake and a huge opportunity for the church to step in and teach. The dems opened the door on this issue and opened it wide. Now we get to watch as the bishops step up to the plate to make things clear. I only hope they keep making these dumb mistakes, and that the issues with the vp candidate become bigger so the church can step in and clarify teachings and have a non-parisan role in this election.

I can also say, I am very proud and happy to see the bishops that have stepped up to make comments. I hope it continues. And I hope they stand up and speak out about pro-abortion politicians.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

It is interesting ;that there is no comment from Archbishop Niederauer.

 

[estesbob]

It is interesting ;that there is no comment from Archbishop Niederauer.

I’m not sure it would be appropriate for him to comment. As her Bishop his first step should be to counsel her privately.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’m not sure it would be appropriate for him to comment. As her Bishop his first step should be to counsel her privately.

One would have thought he would have done that a long time ago.

 

[mary_bobo]

I just wanted to add, I think Laura Ingram has been great on this issue with Pelosi and the bishops and the pro-life issue. Laura is a solid catholic convert and I love listening to her, I can get a lot of catholic-slanted politics that I can’t get on the ewtn affiliates because of non-profit status. She has been reporting all the stuff about Pelosi’s mistakes, and the Bishops response, etc. And she’s going to go after Pelosi and the dem vp candidate on this issue too.

I heard Rush’s show on monday and he was right on with everything about the church and its teachings. He may not be catholic, but he respects the church’s teachings and he realizes how important the pro-life catholic vote is to the pro-life party.

I think this, along with the dem presidential candidates goof at the debate last week, has been a huge mistake and a huge opportunity for the church to step in and teach. The dems opened the door on this issue and opened it wide. Now we get to watch as the bishops step up to the plate to make things clear. I only hope they keep making these dumb mistakes, and that the issues with the vp candidate become bigger so the church can step in and clarify teachings and have a non-parisan role in this election.

I can also say, I am very proud and happy to see the bishops that have stepped up to make comments. I hope it continues. And I hope they stand up and speak out about pro-abortion politicians.

Laura Ingraham has, indeed, been terrific on this issue. Those of us who are cradle Catholics should not sit back and let all the devoted members of the Tibert Swim Team best us. We should be going for the gold loudly and strongly.

 

[estesbob]

(AP) - Under fire from U.S. Catholic bishops, Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not backing off contentious comments about abortion she made during a weekend television talk show appearance.

Pelosi said Sunday on NBC’s Meet the Press'' that doctors of the church’’ have not been able to define when life begins. That prompted swift rebukes from Washington Archbishop Donald Wuerl and Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput, who said Pelosi was incorrect and that Catholic teaching has consistently condemned abortion

guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7754772

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Unbelievably she is still hanging her argument on one out of context quote by St. Augustine made 1600 years ago.

 

[Confiteor]

Where did you find the link to email Meet the Press?

You could try this…

msnbc.msn.com/id/25314272/