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This is exactly the sentiment that I’ve been talking about for days-so to anyone reading who thinks you can remain Catholic and vote for anyone other than the “pro-life” candidate or party-forget it.
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This is true. The innocent are who the Church needs to be protecting. Also when you have someone distorting the teachings of the Church in a public manner they need to be disciplined. Do you not agree with that?
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Chapter Two, The Didache (c. 50-120 a.d.)
And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.
From a Sermon by St Augustine of Hippo:
Therefore brothers, you see how perverse they are and hastening wickedness, who are immature,* they seek abortion of the conception before the birth; they are those who tell us, “I do not see that which you say must be believed**.”*
Buffalo: Sorry! I didn’t see the end of your post where you quoted the Didache, I didn’t mean to steal your research:blush: !
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I don’t think that people should be called out in public, no. I think that Church teaching should be stated clearly by the Bishops and if a public figure is distorting it, that person should be spoken to in private by his/her own pastor. I don’t see the necessity for public pronouncements attacking people.
How would you feel if your Pastor got up on Sunday and announced your sin from the pulpit, or wrote about it in your local Catholic paper-without speaking to you personally? How would you feel if your fellow parishioners said some of the things about you that have been said about these politicians? Unless you’re all completely sinless and have never rationalized anything…
Some of the comments from individual Catholics in the past week have been extremely uncharitable and not good examples of treating others how we would like to be treated.
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Actually I have had my sins called out on me in Public. I have also confessed my sins in Public. It was uncomfortable but in the end it brought it all into the light and was very freeing. The issue here is that Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Biden, have all made it public. If the Church does not make it Public as well it looks like it is ok for them to misrepresent the teachings of the Church.I don’t think that people should be called out in public, no. I think that Church teaching should be stated clearly by the Bishops and if a public figure is distorting it, that person should be spoken to in private by his/her own pastor. I don’t see the necessity for public pronouncements attacking people.
How would you feel if your Pastor got up on Sunday and announced your sin from the pulpit, or wrote about it in your local Catholic paper-without speaking to you personally? How would you feel if your fellow parishioners said some of the things about you that have been said about these politicians? Unless you’re all completely sinless and have never rationalized anything…
Some of the comments from individual Catholics in the past week have been extremely uncharitable and not good examples of treating others how we would like to be treated.
Matt. 18 is the standard we should follow. You go to the person one on one, if they listen great. If they don’t you bring another with you. If that doesn’t take then you are left with going to the Church and the Church has to act.
I know for one that Pelosi has been informed she was incorrect. She has the oportunity to apologize and say she was wrong. She didn’t, in fact she pretty much slapped the church in the face and said in effect the Bishop and the Pope are incorrect, I am the one who knows the Churches teachings. The line has been drawn in the sand, now the Church needs to act.
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Calling Pelosi out in public is not what I have recommended. But the Church most certainly should set the record straight as to what the official teaching is. And it should be repeated at every opportunity.I don’t think that people should be called out in public, no. I think that Church teaching should be stated clearly by the Bishops and if a public figure is distorting it, that person should be spoken to in private by his/her own pastor. I don’t see the necessity for public pronouncements attacking people.
How would you feel if your Pastor got up on Sunday and announced your sin from the pulpit, or wrote about it in your local Catholic paper-without speaking to you personally? How would you feel if your fellow parishioners said some of the things about you that have been said about these politicians? Unless you’re all completely sinless and have never rationalized anything…
Some of the comments from individual Catholics in the past week have been extremely uncharitable and not good examples of treating others how we would like to be treated.
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If you are in the public square and you are obstinate in your belief, we should call you out. This is what is known as a public obstinate sinner and is much different from the average person in the pew.I don’t think that people should be called out in public, no. I think that Church teaching should be stated clearly by the Bishops and if a public figure is distorting it, that person should be spoken to in private by his/her own pastor. I don’t see the necessity for public pronouncements attacking people.
How would you feel if your Pastor got up on Sunday and announced your sin from the pulpit, or wrote about it in your local Catholic paper-without speaking to you personally? How would you feel if your fellow parishioners said some of the things about you that have been said about these politicians? Unless you’re all completely sinless and have never rationalized anything…
Some of the comments from individual Catholics in the past week have been extremely uncharitable and not good examples of treating others how we would like to be treated.
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Right, one with much more authority has much more responsibility. Public scandal would seem to require public correction.
And what is that saying about unequals needing to be treated unequally?
Some one who is mistaken should not be excommunicated. A child is not treated as an adult. A private sin is not the same as a public sin.
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I’d feel pretty angry about it, just as a criminal tends to be when s/he’s been justly arrested. The Pastor would be entirely justified in defending the truth in public if my sin had been to go to all the media and totally mis-represent everything that Pastor had done and taught.How would you feel if your Pastor got up on Sunday and announced your sin from the pulpit, or wrote about it in your local Catholic paper-without speaking to you personally? How would you feel if your fellow parishioners said some of the things about you that have been said about these politicians? Unless you’re all completely sinless and have never rationalized anything…
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Congressman Higgins appeals to the Catholic voter in WNY becuase he is Irish and Catholic. He is pro-death. He votes pro-death in Congress yet is seen as a devout Catholic and sucks in the voter. He was called out.
This is what happened:
Bishop and Priest Hasten to Apologize to Pro-Abortion Politician for Homily Calling Him to Account
Congressman voted for embryonic stem cell research and allowing abortions in military hospitals
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fix
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I remember that and was disturbed when it happend. I hope the deacon is well and strong. That incident says a lot in many ways.
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KenEOTE
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This needs to happen more and needs to be known in the Media. I know some Catholics that think the same way Pelosi feels. I can not understand why? Its clear as day. Yet they seem blind. The Church really needs to put the Hammer down and say look if you are Catholic you can not support Abortion in any terms. If you want to support Abortion and claim it is ok, you are not part of the Fellowship of the Church.
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That may be very true, but you first have to have a mind to be able to change it.
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I know exactly how this deacon feels. About 15 years ago, I gave a homily speaking against abortion. I mentioned no names. That Friday I had a meeting with my pastor who showed me three letters from parishioners complaining that I spoke out on political issues. I simply told him that if they did not know the difference between a moral and a political issue that it certainly was not my fault and I walked out. Nothing further happened. However, I did later ask to be transferred from that parish.
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Deacon Ed B
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Fitswimmer
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If you weren’t pointing fingers at individuals I can’t see the problem.
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KathleenElsie
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If we go by your standards then the religious that abused the youth should also not be called out in public. Criminals should not have there names or crimes made public. How then do we protect the public from further harm?I don’t think that people should be called out in public, no. I think that Church teaching should be stated clearly by the Bishops and if a public figure is distorting it, that person should be spoken to in private by his/her own pastor. I don’t see the necessity for public pronouncements attacking people.
How would you feel if your Pastor got up on Sunday and announced your sin from the pulpit, or wrote about it in your local Catholic paper-without speaking to you personally? How would you feel if your fellow parishioners said some of the things about you that have been said about these politicians? Unless you’re all completely sinless and have never rationalized anything…
Some of the comments from individual Catholics in the past week have been extremely uncharitable and not good examples of treating others how we would like to be treated.
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KenEOTE
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Here is the Biblical way to handle the Pelosi situation:
Matthew 18
15"If your brother sins against you,** go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be[d]bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.
19"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
This is what Jesus taught. Pelosi was told during the interview she was incorrect but didn’t budge. The Bishop told her she is incorrect she still will not budge. It is at the point where the Church needs to step in and do something. Make an example. Perhaps if the Church stands up and does actually discipline she will come back. When I was a child and my parents disciplined me I came back to them and loved them more. You discipline those you love and care about, you ignore and spoil the child you care nothing about. If the Church cares for Pelosi and others who are following her lead it needs to stand up and say you have crossed the line. Communion with the Church is forfiet to you till you repent and acknowledge your fault. There is nothing wrong with holding her to this. Jesus rebuked Peter in Public and then he praised him in Public when he came back.**
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