National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

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How sad it is to people in such a state of utter confusion due to one of satans most clever deceptions against the holy spirt, protestantism and to be specific the SDA church.

You know I bought into this whole idea for a week or two, I was devestated to hear about how horrible the Catholic Church was and how if I continued on my path I would be destined for hell. In complete confusion and despair I cried one night asking God to lead me to the correct church(there were so many). The next day a thought popped in my head to research what the Catholic Church actually thought, also what the other denoms thought. It didnt take long for me to figure out that the SDA church was a crock, within months although far from even grasping alot of the Catholic doctrine I was convinced that the RCC was the true church.

You know the SDA church is all about bible prophesy, and its all about predicting what we were told not to predict. The OP comes here not to give us “conversion” of heart to jesus, but to convince us though bible prophesy that he is right. But, he knows we will reject his acusations, so he will go and feel sorry for himself and his church, because “satans” followers will not “repent”, and he gets pride out of this, and satisfaction from the fact we rebuke him. My friend it is you how are blinded, we show you the true gospal, but you are so blind and mislead by satan you see a piece of pizza, instead of the truth. I say the truth is the truth , whether or not you see it or you do not it remains the same even if you are the most sincere person on earth, the truth is the truth and not a piece of pizza.

I will pray much for the SDA church and its followers, for it is not us but they who are on the road to perdition.

It reminds me of a story I once heard: A man has a trian ticket to New York, He gets on a train, but this train is going to chicago, the ticket man comes up to him asking for his ticket and as the ticket man sees it he says “sir, this is a ticket to New York, your on the trian to Chicago” the man replied " but i mean well".

I would say there are millions in Hell that meant well, and that train to chicago will not get you to new york.
 
RNRobert said:
Goitalone claimed I took Colossians 2;16 out of context, yet I don’t believe the SDAs celebrate new moons or festivals, at least as far as I know. A case of selectively following Scripture? SDA2RC, care to weigh in on the subject?
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I believe that the context supports exactly how you used the verse, I completely agree. However, were I adventist (devils advocate smile) I would say:

The context of this verse points to the ceremonial sabbaths which are distinct from the weekly Sabbath as presented in the Decalogue. The ceremonial Sabbaths occured at different times during the years, at different “new moons” and often had certain drink or foods associated with them. Such as Yom Kippur. This verse uses all the elements of the ceremonial, i.e. food, drink, festival, or new moon, but makes no reference to the Moral law. These were not part of the moral Sabbath given in the 10 commandments, and therefore cannot be associate with it. In addition, this verse merely says not to allow people within or outside the church to judge based on these things. This is not a new teaching, even as an Adventist I would not judge one for such things, however, this does not do away with our duty to obey the law, even while holding judgement against others.

(out of devils advocate mode) 😉
 
RNRoberts,
No MOST SDA’s do not observe the other Sabbaths and holy days, however, there are some, and a growing number, who are beginning to do just that. Dr. Samuel Bacchiocci (SDA Scholar) did just that and has in fact written books about why they are still binding. His premise is that they only were partially fulfilled in the first Advent, and will not be completely fulfilled until the second advent, therefore are still applicable.
 
SDA2RC said:
RNRoberts,
No MOST SDA’s do not observe the other Sabbaths and holy days, however, there are some, and a growing number, who are beginning to do just that. Dr. Samuel Bacchiocci (SDA Scholar) did just that and has in fact written books about why they are still binding. His premise is that they only were partially fulfilled in the first Advent, and will not be completely fulfilled until the second advent, therefore are still applicable.
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Given that line of thinking - then even the SDA who are following the Sabbath law may be totally messing it up. And if following the Sabbath law is so important to salvation and they happened to miss part of it then I guess their salvation is still at stake.
 
SDA2RC said:
I believe that the context supports exactly how you used the verse, I completely agree. However, were I adventist (devils advocate smile) I would say:

The context of this verse points to the ceremonial sabbaths which are distinct from the weekly Sabbath as presented in the Decalogue. The ceremonial Sabbaths occured at different times during the years, at different “new moons” and often had certain drink or foods associated with them. Such as Yom Kippur. This verse uses all the elements of the ceremonial, i.e. food, drink, festival, or new moon, but makes no reference to the Moral law. These were not part of the moral Sabbath given in the 10 commandments, and therefore cannot be associate with it.
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I was reading on the adventist.org site that they abstain from the “unclean foods identified in the scriptures” and also alcohol. Thus I wonder if they normally make a sharp distinction between moral and ceremonial things?

The phrase you comment upon is a set one, and it happens in a number of places in the bible. It appears to allow the idea of the actual sabbath to be considered in the context. For example, here the actual sabbath is seen in the same context as the new moon:
Ezekiel 46:1 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon.
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Also, if you read on, you can see all three: sabbaths (and the Sabbath), new moons, and festivals. There are even set sacrifices (animals) to be done on the Sabbath. I don’t see an immediate reason to think the Sabbath cannot be part of the list of festivals, new moons, and sabbaths.

I’m just thinking here. I know you were being devil’s advocate.
 
SAHM02 said:
I was thinking the same thing…
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I could show you tons of stuff…but maybe, just perhaps, Bush’s true intentions are hidden in the word’s he has spoken since becoming our president…like this song here:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4273741924159061651

I am sure most of you have probably seen that already.

P.S. This is more or less a joke, but …hey ya never know 😛

To me that song has always meant something SDAish to me, so you probably would have not clue what I am talking about anyway.

Interesting video nevertheless.

And yeah I was getting real stressed and tired and started mistyping scripture etc the other night…Sorry, I had been up for 2 days straight basically and I just had to go get some rest and take break from this place as well as my PC in general as I was a near zombie that night.
 
SAHM02 said:
That may very well be the case. I don’t know. I didn’t write goitalone’s post. I just responded to what was written. I noted that goitalone when on to say: To me it’s not as much of the name, but what you believe to see the most truth in…but thats everyone I guess too.

I also noted that goitalone had edit the post, so I just assume it read the way goitalone wanted it to read.

Based on what I am reading, it is my opinion that goitalone feels that it’s possible that even his religion has “errors” in it. After all goitalone didn’t make the claim that his religious sect had all of the truth, just the most of the truth in it. Again, I’m drawing that opinion based on what I’m reading.

His last statement, in my opinion, also implies that it is goitalone personal opinion that as long as you believe you are in the church that has “most” of the truth you are “okay” or “saved”.

It’s also along the lines: You are free to believe what you want and I’m free to believe what I want, as long as you have a “personal relationship” with God and know that you are “saved” by Jesus.

Which makes me all the more confused…:confused:

Since when is it okay to do or believe what I want to believe? After all Eve believed that is was “okay” to eat from the tree of knowledge… and we all know how that ended for her. (I’m sure that in itself is a new thread…and I do not wish to derail this thread; so we’ll just leave that as “rhetorical question”)

I’m just one confused Christian….
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I like what you wrote here because you pretty much understood everything I have being trying to say.

I am not the best at trying to get my point across, especially over the internet, but this comment almost seems like you had been in my mind poking around er something lol.

The last part however, is more or less along the lines (of what I was trying to explain) that God winks at our ignorance no matter who personally is right or wrong, so I just pray that be the case no matter who it is as much as possible in Jesus’ name.

Just like, for example, the theif who believed He was the Christ.

But…well…more to come I guess…
 
goitalone said:
I could show you tons of stuff…but maybe, just perhaps, Bush’s true intentions are hidden in the word’s he has spoken since becoming our president…like this song here:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4273741924159061651

I am sure most of you have probably seen that already.

P.S. This is more or less a joke, but …hey ya never know 😛

To me that song has always meant something SDAish to me, so you probably would have not clue what I am talking about anyway.

Interesting video nevertheless.
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The song is by the Irish rock band U2, and commemorates a day in Ireland when British troops killed a number of protesters in Ireland. See this link for more details:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

In any case, the video is probably meant as an attack on Bush’s war in Iraq. Besides, the way this country is going, Mrs Clinton is likely to be our next President, and I don’t see her passing any kind of “Sunday Law.” See also my post #318.
 
Bill # please.
Law # please.

The Subject of this post says:

National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

Please give the details of this Law that we have supposedly passed.

Please also give the scripture that indicates that such a law would be proposed and passed.
 
goitalone said:
I just have this one sincere question…

What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?

Will you all realize then and only then that Bible prophecy has come true and that Sunday is the day that was replaced by the Roman Catholic church to replace the seventh day holy Sabbath?

Hey, just curious!
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Scripture please!
 
goitalone said:
I could show you tons of stuff…but maybe, just perhaps, Bush’s true intentions are hidden in the word’s he has spoken since becoming our president…like this song here:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4273741924159061651

I am sure most of you have probably seen that already. P.S. This is more or less a joke, but …hey ya never know 😛
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This is a joke…it’s nothing more then take Bush’s words and cutting and pasting them to make Bush say what the person making the “video” wants him to say.

That is not “prove” of a national law for worship on Sunday. For “prove” of a national law you would need to provide us with Bill # or Law #… or statements from those in congress, the senate, or the president that are “supporters” of such a law and are trying to produce a bill to make it so.

Whole statements also… not cuts and paste… anyone can make anyone say anything they want with cuts and paste. So I would need “whole” statements!

At most the video is just “proving” really good editing! It is NOT “creditable”. It is not what I was looking for as “prove” of a National Law being passed.
goitalone said:
To me that song has always meant something SDAish to me, so you probably would have not clue what I am talking about anyway. Interesting video nevertheless.
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Maybe Adventist are just really good at editing and manipulating things to say what they want to say. I don’t know! That’s all I got out of the video. It was jut really good editing and manipulation of the president’s words.
goitalone said:
And yeah I was getting real stressed and tired and started mistyping scripture etc the other night…Sorry, I had been up for 2 days straight basically and I just had to go get some rest and take break from this place as well as my PC in general as I was a near zombie that night.
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I guess we all make mistakes. As I said before, I knew the passage was in the bible, and I just assume that it was given the right book, chapter, and verse. The posting just taught me that I need to look things up not just assume that it is “right”. It also taught me that I need to read, double read, my posting before posting to be sure they read the way I want them to read.

We all have our moments that we are tired or out of it. Maybe you should do what you need to do for yourself, (i.e. get proper sleep) before spending time on the forum.
RNRobert said:
The song is by the Irish rock band U2, and commemorates a day in Ireland when British troops killed a number of protesters in Ireland. See this link for more details:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
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I’ve heard from so many people that wikipedia is not a “reliable” source.

However, I did go to U2 web-site and I found the lyrics to the song. It’s amazing what happens I can play the video in one window and have the lyrics in another window. Do you know what happen? I found that they are the same! Oh my goodness, Bush is a U2 fan! I didn’t know this!
RNRobert said:
In any case, the video is probably meant as an attack on Bush’s war in Iraq.
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This is my opinion also.
RNRobert said:
Besides, the way this country is going, Mrs Clinton is likely to be our next President, and I don’t see her passing any kind of “Sunday Law.” See also my post #318.
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I don’t know about Mrs. Clinton being president. However I DO NOT seeing any president, now or future passing any kind of “Sunday Law”.
 
I don’t know about Mrs. Clinton being president. However I DO NOT seeing any president, now or future passing any kind of “Sunday Law”.
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I don’t see it either. It would be attacking these by order:
  1. Catholics - it would do away with weekday services. My own church has one everyday except for Monday.
  2. Protestants - It would attack the Wednesday Night service and some that have a Thursday Night Service.
  3. Seventh Day Adventist.
  4. Jews.
  5. And all others.
It’s just not credible.

And if ever would be a law, how could they possibly enforce it?

:rolleyes:
 
As far as wikipedia not being a good source, it is not.
But you can look at the sources posted by those who posted the bloody sunday article and get a better idea on what it was about.

A lone Raven
 
JoeyWarren said:
:rotfl: Curious as to how you think a monitoring device could enforce a National Sunday Law.
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I don’t really!😛 The only thing I thought of is that they will need to know where we are… so at most the ankle things would keep us from going to “church” buildings… However, that WOULD NOT stop worship… if Peter, James, John, and all the rest worshiped in homes like Peter’s then so can we. Right!👍

However, maybe the goverment will implant “brain chips” into our bodies so they know where we are, what we are thinking, and who we are with…:rolleyes:

Now it’s sounding more like a “Brave New World”:bigyikes:

:p-what has this world come too…:rotfl:
 
SAHM02 said:
I don’t really!😛 The only thing I thought of is that they will need to know where we are… so at most the ankle things would keep us from going to “church” buildings… However, that WOULD NOT stop worship… if Peter, James, John, and all the rest worshiped in homes like Peter’s then so can we. Right!👍

However, maybe the goverment will implant “brain chips” into our bodies so they know where we are, what we are thinking, and who we are with…:rolleyes:

Now it’s sounding more like a “Brave New World”:bigyikes:

:p-what has this world come too…:rotfl:
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Wouldnt the song be Bloody Saturday if it referred to Adventists being killed for worshipping on Saturday? Just curious? In my reading of scripture, the world will become less and less religious before the second coming, more chaos and less morals… wait… that is happening… LOL
 
SDA2RC said:
Wouldnt the song be Bloody Saturday if it referred to Adventists being killed for worshipping on Saturday? Just curious?
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:hmmm: interesting point! I’m not the Adventist. However, goitalone is, therefore I will let goitalone answer that one.
SDA2RC said:
In my reading of scripture, the world will become less and less religious before the second coming, more chaos and less morals… wait… that is happening… LOL
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:confused: Now, I’m just thinking here: Your interpretation of scripture is that people become less and less religious before the second coming.

Well, forcing everyone TO WORSHIP God would not be less religious; would it?
 
SAHM02 said:
I don’t really!😛 The only thing I thought of is that they will need to know where we are… so at most the ankle things would keep us from going to “church” buildings… However, that WOULD NOT stop worship… if Peter, James, John, and all the rest worshiped in homes like Peter’s then so can we. Right!👍

However, maybe the goverment will implant “brain chips” into our bodies so they know where we are, what we are thinking, and who we are with…:rolleyes:

Now it’s sounding more like a “Brave New World”:bigyikes:

:p-what has this world come too…:rotfl:
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I agree enforcement would be hard.

Now if you take Mary K. Baxter’s “A Divine Revelation of Hell” and
Rob Conte’s Prophecy calculations from catholicplanet.com/future/future1.htm in to account then monitoring us all is very possible, but that is over 400 years from now…
 
SDA2RC said:
Wouldnt the song be Bloody Saturday if it referred to Adventists being killed for worshipping on Saturday? Just curious? In my reading of scripture, the world will become less and less religious before the second coming, more chaos and less morals… wait… that is happening… LOL
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Great point, Bloody Saturday!
 
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