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For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. (Matthew 7:14)the only people who back up the Aprocrypha are Catholics…HMMM
For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. (Matthew 7:14)the only people who back up the Aprocrypha are Catholics…HMMM
CARP…!?Well, personally, I plan tojump into my time machine & hightail it back to the 21st century, leaving the Puritans to fight it out over witches & spectral evidence & skirt lengths & all that miscellaneous 17th century carp.
And yourself???![]()
I think the middle letters in that word were transposed. Whether it was deliberate or not, I don’t know.CARP…!?
What’s so special about 17th century Carp?
Is is especially TASTEY?
Oh really?So it’s pretty obvious that the final great controversy will be over
God’s Law, and in that law only the Sabbath issue, since nobody
quibbles about lying, stealing, murdering, and adultery,although
they will certainly try to quibble more and more.
So… its not sabbath everywhere at the same time. So, you have to decide when sabbath begins and ends where you are living. So, you do the best you can and hope you got it right.Exactly…You all follow Church and traditions of man. Hey just as you follow Sunday around the world, we follow Sabbath around the world. 7 days runs different here than it does on the otherside. No one said that it has to be the whole world at the sametime.
Right, the law had not been fulfilled yet. There is not one command that Christians should observe the sabbath AFTER the law was fulfilled. NOT ONE.Yes an SDA help me with my studies. In fact he is my brother-in-law. But you cannot back up your statements from scripture, oh wait Sunday is mentioned how manytimes? Sabbath is mentioned more in the NT than the first day of the week is. Did Jesus tell you that Sunday is the day…NO!! Men did! Oh to the post of Jesus following the feasts, of course he did he was a Jew too. He wasn’t dead yet, he didn’t fulfill the Mosaic laws yet.
I’m sorry you had a hard time in life, but Catholic doctrine is very biblical, all you have to do is look at it with a willingness to understand it from a Catholic perspective. Hard to do for a protestant. Yet protestants bring their own assumptions and meanings to their undersanding of scripture. How many times as a protestant did I fall into the trap someone (wish I could remember who) described as the ‘of course we know’ habit. When reading a scripture that seemingly contradicts something else, or seems hard to understand, the little 'of course we know that…" tape plays in their mind and they dismiss it without really thinking it through. Read about Jesus giving the Apostles the power to forgive sins? no problem, “of course we know” only God can forgive sin…" and then move on to something more comfortable to think about… Read that St. Paul says the sabbath is only a shadow? no problem, “of course we know” thats only refering to the ceremonial sabbaths…" ( hm… try to find ‘ceremonial sabbaths’ in the bible)No I was not a drug addict, but I did experiment with drugs, and I was poor too. Sorry about the typo, I left the church at 16 not 19. But I paid attention in church. Catholic is a hard pill to swallow alright, that’s because most of it’s doctrines are not in the bible. A few texts taken out of context, anyone can do. You are expected to believe what the church tells you in order to believe. At least SDA’s show you in the bible everything they teach. Oh yeah I forgot Catholics have the Apocrypha the uninspired doctrine. Need proof do some searches the only people who back up the Aprocrypha are Catholics…HMMM
Please go back and read what is written on the front of that sites home page. thank uBTW… here is an interesting article about the possibility of a Sunday Law… ellenwhite.org/nsl/egw22d.htm (Non-Catholic Link)
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alright, here goes.Please go back and read what is written on the front of that sites home page. thank u
1) those who accept the mark of the beast
So it’s an anti-ellen white site. This some how disproves what it says? What a surprise that those opposed to ellen white and the SDAs will make a website with articles detailing why their wrongPlease go back and read what is written on the front of that sites home page. thank u
Dude, if you’re going to misquote scripture, at least reference the right chapter. It’s Rev 13.alright, here goes.
In these, the last days, there are only two groups of people.
and 2) those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (the spirit/ gift of prophesy)Code:1) those who accept the mark of the beast
Rev. 14, 19:10
You will not find such a bill because a real one doesn’t exist.
the counterfeit of the Lords day as knwn by the world today was brought about primarily by the beast of Rev. 14 …
Prove that the “dragon gave rome the papacy.” The burden of proof is on you. can you prove it through history, rather than manipulating Scripture?For centuries the roman government did this even when the dragon gave the papacy it throne and great authority the continued their massacre of those who resisted them.
Again, prove this number.more than 50,000,000 people were slain in the dark ages.
First, Catholics do not worship the pope. If you continue to spout this dribble, people will continue to ignore you. If you want to refute Catholic theology, refute what we actually believe.consider and tell me this. why do you worship a man who claims to be the Vicar of Christ that has explicitly held that the church has authority to change Gods law and hold sunday, the counterfeit sabbath, as the of its great eccleasiastical Mark. REad Dan 7 especially vr 25.
Let’s be fair…So it’s an anti-ellen white site. This some how disproves what it says? What a surprise that those opposed to ellen white and the SDAs will make a website with articles detailing why their wrong![]()
OOPs - Waldenses were not Sabbath keepers as a Church. Perhaps you could give us another group to prove your point. Chapter 4 of EGW’s Great Controversy is not historical - it is all wrong.You will not find such a bill because a real one doesn’t exist.
the counterfeit of the Lords day as knwn by the world today was brought about primarily by the beast of Rev. 14 and the christians of the first who feared the lost of their lives by the hands of a persecuting Roman government who, at the time slaughtering all jews all juwdaizers. so they hid from their own deaths but the Waldenses fled to the mountains where the were kept by the hand of God. Rev. 12:6.
So you build a entire empire on one verse? Christ’s birth was foretold centuries before His birth and as He declares mat. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come toDude, if you’re going to misquote scripture, at least reference the right chapter. It’s Rev 13.
Prove that the “dragon gave rome the papacy.” The burden of proof is on you. can you prove it through history, rather than manipulating Scripture?
Again, prove this number.
wow!
first of all i didn’t miss quote the scripture. the mark of the beast bit in deed in chap 13, however the two groups i spoke of are found where?
the burden of proof of that number is not on me. but it’s for u to prove that it wasn’t more.
by the way let me make this clear. I am Not Anti anyone. i have nothing against individuals, it’s that i do not worship idols, dead people, popes(past or present). I have no need to fair any of you. it’s that this system of beliefs you hold dear are not scriptural. i have friends from all faith based religions and agnostics too.
you can throw stones at the sabbath time. whether u like it or not the only reason the world today has a seven day week still is because of creation. yes attempts were made to change the weekly cycle and governments and pope have changed the calender but the seven day cycle still stands. again whether you are in China or Jamaica (where I am) doesn’t matter. we all knw that the sun sets in different places at differnt times but we all knw how to count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7.
Did the early Christians continue to worship on the Sabbath? Sure! Did they worship on Sunday, too? You bet! The Sunday worship was specifically designed to remember the resurrection.
What you SDAs just DO NOT understand is that Catholics are called to worship EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK! Sunday’s are to SPECIFICALLY to remember the resurrection, the most important event in Christianity, so that is why THAT DAY is set aside. But other days, esp. Friday, have special meaning, too, as remembering it as the day that Christ died.
prove they weren’t.OOPs - Waldenses were not Sabbath keepers as a Church. Perhaps you could give us another group to prove your point. Chapter 4 of EGW’s Great Controversy is not historical - it is all wrong.
Here is the “core” of my beliefs:remember i said i have nothing against an individual, it is ur system of beliefs that i don’t support.
don’t u see that this system fits the prophecy of daniel, Rev., etc perfectly.Here is the “core” of my beliefs:
I believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
I believe one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
He came down from heaven: by the
power of the Holy Spirit He was
born of the Virgin Mary,
and became Man.
For our sake He was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
He suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day He rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the
Father. He will come again in glory
**to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.
**judgement already began in heaven: I Christ is bringing His reward with Him, must He not first pass judgement as to who will be saved or lost
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the Giver of life,
Who proceeds from the Father and
the Son. With the Father and the Son
He is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the prophets.
**I believe in one, holy, catholic,
and apostolic Church.
**under this sign go conquer: baptised paganism, Worship of idols and dead people presumed to be in heaven (eccl. 9: 5,6,10 psalm 146: 4, confessional (we are saved through faith in Christ Jesus), worshipof the so called vicar of Christ, immortality of the soul
I acknowledge one Baptism
for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
What exactly do you not agree with?
Okay so there are 2 parts of that seem to be an issue.don’t u see that this system fits the prophecy of daniel, Rev., etc perfectly.
The creed states that Christ judges and Christ determines who is saved and who is lost. So I’m not sure what the issue you have here is…judgement already began in heaven: I Christ is bringing His reward with Him, must He not first pass judgement as to who will be saved or lost
Okay I’m not sure what all of this has to do with one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.under this sign go conquer: baptised paganism, Worship of idols and dead people presumed to be in heaven (eccl. 9: 5,6,10 psalm 146: 4, confessional (we are saved through faith in Christ Jesus), worshipof the so called vicar of Christ, immortality of the soul
The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813–822)
Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.
His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2).
Although some Catholics dissent from officially-taught doctrines, the Church’s official teachers—the pope and the bishops united with him—have never changed any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.
The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8, CCC 823–829)
By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23).
But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26).
The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, CCC 830–856)
Jesus’ Church is called catholic (“universal” in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of “all nations” (Matt. 28:19–20).
For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28).
Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to “make disciples of all nations” (Matt. 28:19).
The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, “the Catholic Church,” at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.
The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865)
The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2).
These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary’s special role, and much more —even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself.
Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.
CCC is short hand for “Cathecism of the Catholic Church”