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Mommyof02green
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It sounds like Jerusalem to me!
You can read this to find out why: biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter_details.php?id=27
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You can read this to find out why: biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter_details.php?id=27
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drdude
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Another note many thought World War III was going to happen between USA and Russia, did that ever happen. But all over the media was talk of it happening. Many at the time blamed Ronald Reagan for the countries economy at the time. But after his death many including Democrats admitted what a great president he was. Many thought Communism was a major threat to the World. It crumbled! Don’t be fooled by what you see going on today or a near future event.
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Mommyof02green
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Sure there are some here that feel that way.
Just like there are some here that feel there is nothing wrong with ABC (Artifical Birth Control) and Abortion.
Of course we know that Gay/Lesbian marriages are wrong and that ABC and Abortions are wrong!
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JoeyWarren
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Yes it will get more secular which makes your notion of a “National Sunday Law” all the more ridiculous.
Does it now?
That is a relative opinion:
Conservative : Yes : because we are losing the Christian morality war.
Liberal : No : because we are establishing Liberty, Truth and Justice for all.
The Secualar is not small. The non-christian sect out number us 10 to 1.
agreed.
Can you prove this?
How?
If they are, they are not Catholic.
The Liberal media tells me there is no possible way a “National Sunday Law” could ever be passed.
any thing else?
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JoeyWarren
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There he goes attacking again. This always seems to be the last resort for SDA’s.
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Mommyof02green
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Protestants call them the aprocrypha
Catholics call them the Deuterocanonical.
A simple google search would show you that protestants call the books the “aprocrypha” and Catholics call them the “Deuterocanonical”
Catholics are not the only ones that have the Deuterocanonical books in their bibles.
Do a simple google search for Orthodox cannons or Bible Cannons in general.
The Vulgate is a 5th century version (translation) of the bible that was written in Latin. A simple google search would show that as well.
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JoeyWarren
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African Jews (aka Ethiopian Jews) have these books as well.
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JoeyWarren
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And God triumphed over pagan Rome and brought it to Christianity. Paganism no longer exists in Rome. When Jesus promised the Gates of Hell would not prevail, he held true to his word.
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RNRobert
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Don’t see the word Trinity in the Bible, either. Come to think of it, don’t see “Seventh Day Adventist” either.
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ABostonCatholic
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Experienced: past tense of “experience” . The heyday from 9/11 is over.
And a wonderful job it has done
Pat Robertson is a nut. Every year he prays and makes predictions =prophesies] about what will happen in the coming year. Last year he said hurricanes would be worst then ever, and it was actually quite a mild season. So, either God lied, or he, in Biblical terms, is a “false prophet.”
According to an article in the IDEAS section of the Boston Globe from Sunday March 4, about 2/3 of Americans believe that the Bible “contains the answers to all of life’s questions.” But 1/2 can’t name even one of the four canonical Gospels. Also, in a 2000 survey 60 percent of evangelicals (compared to 51 percent of Jews) think that Jesus was born in Jerusalem.
Not as big as you think it is. There are a lot of people out there who like him, but many more who don’t. He is well past his prime. Look at what CBN was and what it is now.
The Republicans get the endorsement of these groups, but that in no way means that men and women would actually endorse the groups themselves.
Where were these die-hard Republican Christians in 2006?
None of what you said implies that a national sunday law will ever be created.
Also, you’re at the Catholic Answers website. Read the tracts they have. If you haven’t, why do you continue to make false accusations against the Church. If our theology is wrong, correct us on the basis of what we actually believe, not what you really want to believe that we believe.
The name, or the prayers themselves? Or the mysteries? They’re all there. Again, go read CA’s tract on the Rosary. Or go to a Catholic bookstore and buy a devotional on the “Scriptural Rosary.”
I’m in Boston. I’m watching…
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RNRobert
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I was going to address some of DrDude’s comments regarding Mary, the Papacy, etc., but why bother? He’s not here to learn what we believe, just to peddle SDA propaganda and “save us” from the “Whore of Babylon.” Been there, heard that, moved on.
Been there, heard that, moved on.
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JoeyWarren
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Dr Dude has been challenged at least by me on starting a thread on these issues. He has failed to interact. Yes, he is here to peddle his anti-God propaganda.I was going to address some of DrDude’s comments regarding Mary, the Papacy, etc., but why bother? He’s not here to learn what we believe, just to peddle SDA propaganda and “save us” from the “Whore of Babylon.”
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MarysRoses
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Weak? At first you posted a messianic group that points out many of the difficulties I listed and argues the SDA are mistaken in at least part of the world as to what day they should worship, as if you hadn’t even bothered to read the entire article. You have not bothered to comment further. Now, without offering any specific ideas, you dismiss it as ‘weak’. The only thing weak is your explanation, which by the way I predicted, as all Adventists eventually fall back to a variation on the same thing. You phrased it as ‘make an effort’ instead my prediction; “do the best you can”.
And thats it! Worshiping on Saturday is so important to Adventists they say it will be a test of our loyalty to God and our very salvation will hinge upon it, but when asked exactly
how do we find the biblical, historical sabbath to keep… “Do the best you can” “make an effort”
The Adventist reasoning seems in practical terms to be this:
Keep whatever day the local authorities call ‘Saturday’ , so that you can’t be called a Sunday keeper.
No wonder poor goitalone, the self professed SDA who started this whole meandering thread, feels hopeless about his salvation. How can you have confidence in a god who plays such games? Keep the wrong day and you will be lost, but oops! sorry! you just have to make an effort and do the best you can to find this magical bit of time.
Like so many Adventist doctrines, the problem with insisting that Saturday keeping is a matter of salvation, is that on the surface, it has good talking points… look at the ten commandments, look at the calendar, see? the wrong day, you want to follow God don’t you? That this approach glosses over both scripture and historical evidence to the contrary doesn’t matter. Thats the hook.
Few look past the hook. Everything else, history, scripture, theology, is viewed through the lens of this supposed discovery. Any statement, no matter how improbable is accepted as fact. Historical documents and the testimony of early Christians are dismissed as irrelevant.
I started another thread asking why SDA persist in perpetuating lies and myths about what Catholics believe.
Goitalone, drdude and SayNotoBabylon all three substantiate my claim that Adventists continually perpetuate the same lies and distortions about Catholic beliefs over and over again. When asked to start threads and discuss the individual topics reasonably, all I see posted are just more rambling attacks.
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SayNOtoBabylon
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hi,
sorry i took so long to respond.
where to begin?
fact is, i am not entirely surprise that this system works as well as it does, (after all it was predicted by the BIBLE)
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2) many people actually believe that this system has the authority to change, interpret and or do away with scripture as it sees fit.
watch this, I believe that the Bible is the expressed word of the Creator and redeemer of all mankind. 2 Timothy 3:16,17
there is absolutely no where in the bible that Jesus changed His Ten Commandments. in fact, it states that they are Eternal psalms 119:149-152. and, He fulfilled the ceremonial laws when He gave his life as a sacrifice for all of us(colo chapt 2 & Levi 23).Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfil.
thirdly, if all we do is seek things to fight about, we will get nowhere.
sorry i took so long to respond.
where to begin?
- the rcc is indeed a good counterfeit. if i didn’t knw better i would probably say it looks good. problem is that its only bettered by the real thing.
fact is, i am not entirely surprise that this system works as well as it does, (after all it was predicted by the BIBLE)
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2) many people actually believe that this system has the authority to change, interpret and or do away with scripture as it sees fit.
watch this, I believe that the Bible is the expressed word of the Creator and redeemer of all mankind. 2 Timothy 3:16,17
there is absolutely no where in the bible that Jesus changed His Ten Commandments. in fact, it states that they are Eternal psalms 119:149-152. and, He fulfilled the ceremonial laws when He gave his life as a sacrifice for all of us(colo chapt 2 & Levi 23).Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfil.
thirdly, if all we do is seek things to fight about, we will get nowhere.
- I do believe that God’s kingdom will be set up on this earth and will last forever. BUT, its NOT for us (Man) to establish through war, persecution and unholy alliances.(psa 145: 13, dan 7, 2peter 1)
- i am a bible believing Christian (To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because
there is no light in them.Isaiah 8:20)
many people write books and have things to say about all sorts of things
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SayNOtoBabylon
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many people write books and have all sorts of things to say, but by whose authority.
how can u deny prophecy?
So u don’t like Sister White. I am not going to fight u, fact is the bible indicates that prophets of old were treated the same way, forgive me, worst! beheaded, placed in pot of boiling oil.
KJV 1 Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ
Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment
without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall
shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath
immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to
whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall
be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this
mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal
shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up
in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the
strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus
Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the
Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
now does this make sense if we are already immortal?
Or, didn’t the bible teach that wolves would come among the believers ?
how can u deny prophecy?
So u don’t like Sister White. I am not going to fight u, fact is the bible indicates that prophets of old were treated the same way, forgive me, worst! beheaded, placed in pot of boiling oil.
- how can u biblically account for the teaching of immortally of the soul when it is rooted in the lies that satan told Eve, Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
KJV 1 Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ
Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment
without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall
shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath
immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to
whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall
be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this
mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal
shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up
in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the
strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus
Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the
Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
now does this make sense if we are already immortal?
Or, didn’t the bible teach that wolves would come among the believers ?
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SayNOtoBabylon
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do u knw what the bible says or refer to the many church of today as?
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Theodora
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This is a very long thread, so I have not read all of the posts.
Has anybody yet touched on the subject when the Pharisees were chiding Jesus because his deciples were plucking grain on the Sabbath? Mk 2, 23-27.
Jesus told them: “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath”
Jesus chose to rise on the first day of the week. Jesus did away with the old, and rang in the new. (He did not do away with the 10 commandments, btw.)
No wonder for a Christian, Sunday, the Day of Resurrection, is the most important day, not Saturday.
Sunday is definitely the most important day for a Christian to be the day for worship.
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Mommyof02green
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I don’t understand your point about a counterfeit $99 bill… Truth of the matter there is no such thing as a $99 bill; therefore there cannot be a counterfeit. You can only have counterfeits if the thing is real to begin with… (So I don’t get your point) There is no $99 bill therefore there can never be a counterfeit. Here is a link re: US currency: treas.gov/education/faq/currency/denominations.shtml#q1
There has never been a $99 bill therefore there never can be a counterfeit. Therefore you will never see a $99 bill or counterfeit bill.
Does that mean there are never counterfeit? Of course not!
There are counterfeits!! Counterfeits are deceptions of the real thing!
Something needs to be real first before it’s possible to have a deception of it.
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ABostonCatholic
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Those passages are referring to the corruption of the body, not the soul. The soul is immortal whereas the body is not. When we die, our souls await the return of the body, for we are not a complete person without it, just as a corpse is not a person without the soul. In this sense, you can say the soul “sleeps” with.
It is only because of God that any of this is possible. God sustains out existence.
As for adam and eve, the devil said that if they sin, they will not die. That is not applicable in this situation. If God, through the redemption of Jesus Christ, wishes to make our soul (not our bodies) immortal, and eventually resurrect our bodies with our souls, then He can do that. But the fact remains that if we die (die, yes, a bodily death) without repenting and turning towards God, we will die an eternal death, that is, the death of our soul in Hell. That is described in Revelation as the “Second Death.”
It is true that some prophets of old were treated poorly, but that in no way validates yours. Every prophet, whether true or false, is hated by some people some where.
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adventistnomore
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That’s precisely his point. He believes the Catholic Church is a deception, and therefore, will appear very similar to a true religion (Adventism). One does not counterfeit a non-existent dollar bill, they counterfeit a legitimate one. Point: it would be pointless if Catholicism looked completely false; no one would be Catholic. Instead, Catholicism counterfeits the true, and therefore serves as a viable deception.
Unfortunately, the Adventist posters on this thread have made it a habit of spouting off terms, maxims and metaphors familiar to Adventists, but unknown to Catholics. It is quite sad, because it makes their posts sound garbled; they are simply regurgitating what they’ve heard misinformed and unqualified Adventist “evangelists” say.
He should realize, however, is that all that is good in Adventism exists in its fullness within the Catholic Church (from which it emerged), and that it is HIS church that has diluted the truth with deceptions and manmade traditions.
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