National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

[Mommyof02green]

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2) many people actually believe that this system has the authority to change, interpret and or do away with scripture as it sees fit.

watch this, I believe that the Bible is the expressed word of the Creator and redeemer of all mankind. 2 Timothy 3:16,17

there is absolutely no where in the bible that Jesus changed His Ten Commandments. in fact, it states that they are Eternal psalms 119:149-152. and, He fulfilled the ceremonial laws when He gave his life as a sacrifice for all of us(colo chapt 2 & Levi 23).Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfill.

It is people thinking that they can just do what they want is what “sprang” up all these different denominations and believes. Person A disagreed with Person B, therefore person B started church B. Person C disagreed with person A and B therefore person C started church C. Person D disagreed with person A, B, and C therefore person D started church D. Person E… (I can just keep going)

The only way to find out if x church is the “true” church is to look at church history, scripture, and the writings of the ECF (Early Church Fathers). Did Christians in 70 A.D. believe this? Did Christians in 40 A.D. believe this? How did Christians in 35 A.D. worship?

Find this information out and then compare it to the churches of today. Which group has really stood the test of time? Which group teaches what the Christians taught in 35 AD, 40 AD, 70 AD, and 100 AD etc? Which group believes what the Christians believed in 35 AD, 40 AD, 70 AD, 100 AD, etc?

By the way I 100% agree with you when you say that the bible is the word of God and is for everyone. I also 100% agree with you when you say that Jesus didn’t come to change the law but fulfill it.

I believe because of Christ’s death and resurrection we are in a NEW convent with the Lord. A convent that did not do away with the old but just “fulfilled” it. We are blessed to be apart of the NEW convent!

 

[Mommyof02green]

thirdly, if all we do is seek things to fight about, we will get nowhere.

Amen to that!!!

 

[Mommyof02green]

1. I do believe that God’s kingdom will be set up on this earth and will last forever. BUT, its NOT for us (Man) to establish through war, persecution and unholy alliances.(psa 145: 13, dan 7, 2peter 1)

First, I would hope you would agree that we are all sinners and we all have made mistakes! I also would hope that you agree that it is possible for members of a church to do things that are opposed to the “official” teaching of that church. Christ, himself, knew that we are all sinners and that we all may do things that are not “right”. After all it was Christ that said the let the first without sin to cast the first stone.

Here is what the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) has to say about wars and violence…
See paragraphs 2307-2317 (link: usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art5.htm )

The opening paragraphs 2307-2308 of the CCC reads:

“The fifth commandment (thou shall not kill) forbids the intentional destruction of human life. Because of the evils and injustices that accompany all war, the Church insistently urges everyone to prayer and to action so that the divine Goodness may free us from the ancient bondage of war.

All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war….”

You can use the link to read more.

Also before saying that Catholic changed the Ten Commandments please read these links.
fisheaters.com/10commandments.html
biblia.com/jesusbible/deut3.htm

God Bless

 

[Mommyof02green]

1. i am a bible believing Christian (To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.Isaiah 8:20)
   many people write books and have things to say about all sorts of things

That’s an understatement! (re: the part I put in bold)

 

[Mommyof02green]

1. how can u biblically account for the teaching of immortally of the soul when it is rooted in the lies that satan told Eve?

Eccl 9: 10; 1 Timothy 6:13-16; Corinthians 15:51-58
now does this make sense if we are already immortal? Or, didn’t the bible teach that wolves would come among the believers ?

(I shorten the post… Hopefully I at least kept the “names of the verses” you sited)

Does it make sense that Moses and Elijah were talking to Christ? (Mathew 17)
Earlier (post 736 see here) I responded to the immortality of a soul with an article that pointed out that in Revelation 6 and Revelation 20 pre-resurrection souls were crying out to God for vengeance. How is that possible?

Recently I came across these scripture verses. It really stood out for me…
1 Corinthians 15:42-49.

The Catholic Church teaches that at the moment of our conception we receive our soul.
Therefore the physical and spiritual happen together. In order to have the spiritual you need the physical. The spiritual does not happen without the physical.

We are body and soul now. At death our body and soul separate Rev 6 and 20 shows us that. Our soul does not die and our soul does not “sleep”. When Christ comes again our body and soul will be reunited.

 

[Mommyof02green]

do u knw what the bible says or refer to the many church of today as?

I know that the Bible states that the Church is the Bride of Christ!

I know that Christ can only have ONE bride.

 

[Mommyof02green]

That’s precisely his point. He believes the Catholic Church is a deception, and therefore, will appear very similar to a true religion (Adventism). **One does not counterfeit a non-existent dollar bill, they counterfeit a legitimate one. ** Point: it would be pointless if Catholicism looked completely false; no one would be Catholic. Instead, Catholicism counterfeits the true, and therefore serves as a viable deception.

That’s was the point of my post (see part in bold). There is no such thing as a $99 bill. It is non-existent. So I don’t understand what the point is in saying “I still haven’t seen a counterfeit $99 bill yet.”

I just read that and think “Well of course you never have and you never will see a counterfeit because the real thing does not exist”. Therefore, I don’t get the point! To me all it said is that the Real, True Church does not exist.

It is my opinion that the analogy of the counterfeit $99 bill is just an awful analogy. After reading it all I see is that according to some Adventist the “Real”, “True” Church does NOT exist. :bigyikes:

 

[jrdjr]

Goitalone, I left the Roman Catholic church for the lies of the Seventh-Day Adventists. I just knew that the adventists were teaching the truth. The stories about the tiara of the pope having the title of Vicar of Christ in Latin which adds up to the number 666, Vicarius Filii Dei. Then after much research I found that there is not a tiara with such an inscription and never has been a tiara with such an inscription. This was made up by adventists to add fuel to their claims. The only ancient documents that even carry the name were proven long ago to be forgeries.
Aside from that it has been shown that the very name of Ellen G. White in Latin reveals the number 666 as the total numerical value of her name.
There are so many lies from the adventists. Historical lies and doctrinal lies.
They claim to not have idols but they have made the very Saturday Sabbath, as they claim, into an idol, a god if you will. Everything under heaven and upon earth, for them, is centered around a day. If the New Testament even remotely taught such a thing then it would be one thing, but no where in the New Testament is it even hinted that we are to hold one day in such high esteem as to revolve our lives around it.
I am so very happy and relieved that I left that church. I was finally restored to true peace and happiness by going to my parish priest and telling him of the lies that I found and how that I was blinded by the lies and misinformation. History alone shows the truth and it is not in adventism. There will not be a Sunday Law scheme as proclaimed by adventists. The very idea is rediculous. The whole Constitution of the United States would have to be re-written. The citizens of the U.S. would never stand for it.
Search the internet and one will find a whole different side to the whole adventist story and much of this is from Ellen’s writings and from those who were with her. I am glad I was delivered from it. jrdjr

 

[SDA2RC]

Welcome home JRDJR!!!

Brandon

Goitalone, I left the Roman Catholic church for the lies of the Seventh-Day Adventists. I just knew that the adventists were teaching the truth. The stories about the tiara of the pope having the title of Vicar of Christ in Latin which adds up to the number 666, Vicarius Filii Dei. Then after much research I found that there is not a tiara with such an inscription and never has been a tiara with such an inscription. This was made up by adventists to add fuel to their claims. The only ancient documents that even carry the name were proven long ago to be forgeries.
Aside from that it has been shown that the very name of Ellen G. White in Latin reveals the number 666 as the total numerical value of her name.
There are so many lies from the adventists. Historical lies and doctrinal lies.
They claim to not have idols but they have made the very Saturday Sabbath, as they claim, into an idol, a god if you will. Everything under heaven and upon earth, for them, is centered around a day. If the New Testament even remotely taught such a thing then it would be one thing, but no where in the New Testament is it even hinted that we are to hold one day in such high esteem as to revolve our lives around it.
I am so very happy and relieved that I left that church. I was finally restored to true peace and happiness by going to my parish priest and telling him of the lies that I found and how that I was blinded by the lies and misinformation. History alone shows the truth and it is not in adventism. There will not be a Sunday Law scheme as proclaimed by adventists. The very idea is rediculous. The whole Constitution of the United States would have to be re-written. The citizens of the U.S. would never stand for it.
Search the internet and one will find a whole different side to the whole adventist story and much of this is from Ellen’s writings and from those who were with her. I am glad I was delivered from it. jrdjr

 

[goitalone]

Just as God was sorry when He saw that He needed to destroy all the wicked in Noahs day with a flood, so am I also sorry I started this thread, as I finally saw it was just a waste of time for everyone here, and that it has now become a waste to everyone else who reads it as well.

To all SDA’s : I urge you to just stop wasting your time here trying to tell the truth to anyone here…if after over 780 posts and being one of the longest theads I have seen in here, it is obvious nothing will change these peoples minds from believing the lie and/or their willingly denial of the Truth (take your pick)

Might be better (if you haven’t done so already) to go around your neighborhood handing out some lierature or videos or something like that instead, don’t ya think?

I feel God has impressed upon me that we should be elsewhere teaching the Gospel to those who are not already convinced in their own minds of what they believe in, than to stick around in some forum continuing a seemingly endless and worthless battle. Plus I am sure, other than that they keep posting back replies, that they would rather us not be here anyways.

To all Catholics: Good luck in your end decision…that is, if there still is one left for you to decide.

I guess I have made mine too, (Even So, Come, Lord Jesus!) so…if anyone here has a sincere prayer for us all then, thank you!

Nevertheless, we will all be awaiting our just rewards.

Some guy in a tent in Florida,

Charlie

 

[JoeyWarren]

I think it is Satan that has impressed upon you go spread your twisted truth to those that will be more acceptable to error. Satan loves those weak mind. They are more easily swayed and molded to his agenda.

Good bye Goitalone, may you find God.

 

[goitalone]

I think it is Satan that has impressed upon you go spread your twisted truth to those that will be more acceptable to error. Satan loves those weak mind. They are more easily swayed and molded to his agenda.

Good bye Goitalone, may you find God.

Vice versa kid! Seeya!

 

[JoeyWarren]

Just as God was sorry when He saw that He needed to destroy all the wicked in Noahs day with a flood,

You can’t even get that right.

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

He was sorry that he created man. And at end of the flood before he placed the bow in the clouds, there is no indication that he was sorry for destroying all the wicked.

 

[Techno2000]

The Sunday Law would have to be world wide to take effect
not just in the U.S right ?

 

[JoeyWarren]

The Sunday Law would have to be world wide to take effect
not just in the U.S right ?

Exactly. SDAs are evading that one fine point.

 

[JoeyWarren]

Unless of course they believe in an incremental adoption worldwide after the USA installs it.

 

[Techno2000]

Jack Chick knows the details how this will come about.

 

[JoeyWarren]

If he is not destined to hell, I shudder to think about his purgatory experience.

 

[Mommyof02green]

Just as God was sorry when He saw that He needed to destroy all the wicked in Noahs day with a flood,

What verse states that God was sorry that He destroyed the wicked?

so am I also sorry I started this thread, as I finally saw it was just a waste of time for everyone here, and that it has now become a waste to everyone else who reads it as well.

Guilt? Normally, I’m only sorry if what I’ve done is wrong… (that’s just me; I realize that everyone is different)

To all SDA’s : I urge you to just stop wasting your time here trying to tell the truth to anyone here…if after over 780 posts and being one of the longest theads I have seen in here, it is obvious nothing will change these peoples minds from believing the lie and/or their willingly denial of the Truth (take your pick)

Wow! I can’t change them therefore don’t waste your time. Charlie, I learned along time ago that the only person I can change is myself… Even God, himself, doesn’t change people. He allows everyone the ability to have “free will”.

Yes, He wants us to love HIM. Yes, He wants us to Obey HIM. However, He does not “force” us too. God is not a dictator. Yes, it’s true that there are consequences for our actions. All good parents give their children consequences for their actions. Just last night, my daughter was not allowed to have ice cream for dessert because she did not use her “inside” voice at the restaurant. Not having ice cream was her consequence for not having an “inside” voice. I told her the rules and consequence for not following those rules; however I couldn’t make her do it. She had “free will” to decide to listen or disobey.

There is a prayer that I have that helps me remember that I can’t change anyone other then myself. However that at the same time doesn’t mean that I stop sharing the truth. After all Christ told us to go out and spread the truth… what happens after I share is in God’s hands. I then leave it to Him.

Prayer:
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

To Might be better (if you haven’t done so already) to go around your neighborhood handing out some lierature or videos or something like that instead, don’t ya think?

How is just dropping some pre-made literature and videos been a “witness”. By their fruits you will know if they have the Holy Spirit with them. I don’t get to know someone just by them coming by and dropping off a pre-package video or pre-made literature. I don’t see their fruits and they don’t get to see mine.

Personally, I feel that the only way that someone will know my fruits is by dialogue or by seeing what I do in person. The people here in “internet” land can not see me; therefore the only way they will know my fruits is by dialogue.

Yes, it’s true that at time the dialogue does not go as smoothly as I like to see. However, I have to remind myself that it’s not something I can control. Courage to change the things I can. What can I change? I can change the way I communicate with someone. I can be more humble and less prideful. I can show compassion and understanding. I can change myself. I can change the way I communicate and I can change the way I respond to people.

 

[Mommyof02green]

I feel God has impressed upon me that we should be elsewhere teaching the Gospel to those who are not already convinced in their own minds of what they believe in, than to stick around in some forum continuing a seemingly endless and worthless battle. Plus I am sure, other than that they keep posting back replies, that they would rather us not be here anyways.

I’m glad that my Adventist brother and sisters are here. I get a chance to dialogue with them. I get a chance to learn more about their faith and what they believe. I just hope that they would be willing to do the same. Its ignorance of each other that leads to hatred. Ignorance is the devils work. After all a house divided cannot stand. Therefore let all these “Christians” fight among themselves. I’m not here to fight with my follow brother and sisters. I’m here just to understand what it is that they believe and here to help share with them what I “Truly” believe.

SayNOtoBabylon is right when they say “if all we do is seek things to fight about, we will get nowhere.” I know that there are things that Adventist and Catholics have in common. Example of that is that the Trinity. We both believe in the Triune God. Another example is Salvation. We both believe that we can walk away from God and if we walk away from God we reject our Salvation.

We both believe that Christ will judge us. We both believe that Christ was born from a Virgin. We both believe that Christ died for our salvation. We both baptize people with water and the words “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”.

To all Catholics: Good luck in your end decision…that is, if there still is one left for you to decide.

My end decision is to walk with the Lord. I don’t need “luck”. God is with me and God will guide me. God is my comfort and God is the person I lean on when times are tough.

Sure I from time to time worry about my salvation. However, I just keep putting on foot in front of the other and have faith that God will protect me. If I do fall, I just brush myself off, tell God I’m sorry and just keep going.

Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, grant us peace.