Natural Family Planning dilemma

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Burdock said:
This topic is always going to cause difficulties. A large number of catholics do use some sort of contraception, I know its against church teaching . It is something that could be changed, a lot of catholics think the same.
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I agree. The fact that a large number of Catholics use contraception is something that could (and should) be changed. 😉
 
PaulGH said:
I agree. The fact that a large number of Catholics use contraception is something that could (and should) be changed. 😉
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Since when did a ‘large number of unfaithful Catholics’ ever get the power to tell the Church what to teach?? Can’t be changed, ever. I wouldn’t hold my breath!!! God Bless, Memaw
 
It is a contentious subject and always will be, but it is something that can be changed. The recent survey showed that it is one of the stumbling blocks. You cannot just keep having children.
 
Burdock said:
It is a contentious subject and always will be, but it is something that can be changed. The recent survey showed that it is one of the stumbling blocks. You cannot just keep having children.
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Humana Vitae is proof enough it will never change so why keep banging your head against the wall?? Self control, not birth control! I suppose if ‘everybodys’ doing it then the Church has to conform?? The Church is not based on the latest survey, thank God! God Bless, Memaw
 
It is a contentious subject and always will be, but it is something that can be changed. The recent survey showed that it is one of the stumbling blocks. You cannot just keep having children.
 
Its obviously a problem and it needs addressing, catholics were asked to give their views on subjects concerning family life, and this came up a lot. You have to be able to cope financialy, physically and mentally to bring up children, if a mother is constantly exhausted with the demands of children this will affect them. Expecting couples to abstain for a long time is not natural, and can be detrimental to the marriage. My husband does not share my faith, I cant just say oh sorry now im a catholic we cant sleep together anymore, im 51 and have a coil for medical reasons, I suppose you would say I should have it removed.
 
Burdock said:
Its obviously a problem and it needs addressing, catholics were asked to give their views on subjects concerning family life, and this came up a lot. You have to be able to cope financialy, physically and mentally to bring up children, if a mother is constantly exhausted with the demands of children this will affect them. Expecting couples to abstain for a long time is not natural, and can be detrimental to the marriage. My husband does not share my faith, I cant just say oh sorry now im a catholic we cant sleep together anymore, im 51 and have a coil for medical reasons, I suppose you would say I should have it removed.
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Conforming the whole of your life, physically, emotionally, spiritually, to the will of God, is the desire of every soul. To live in the spirit is the temporal taste of the ultimate joy of heaven. To resist that and believe that the ultimate human experience is in earthly pleasure, comfort and security is to live a little life.

I would say give the reasoning and theology behind prolife and anti contraception a reading with an openness to a whole different mindset. In my experience of discussing prolife and NFP, I’ve found that it is much more difficult for people who have already been familiar and reliant on a contraceptive path, to change tack. It does require a whole recalibration to embrace the value of periodic abstinence and non sexual communion. I would say, open your soul to a new and mysteriously envigorating outlook on the whole of your life.
 
It must be easier if both partners a catholic, my husband is not, so its totally different.
 
Burdock said:
It is a contentious subject and always will be, but it is something that can be changed. The recent survey showed that it is one of the stumbling blocks. You cannot just keep having children.
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Why can’t a couple “just keep having children” as you put it? I realize that some people have medical issues. I know some are financially strapped. Some are stressed out. But it is hard for me to believe that the majority of people in the US fit into any of those categories. Most people can do more than what they are comfortable with. If a couple truly has reasons to stop having children then they are much less likely to view abstinence as an unbearable hardship–whether it’s for a few days, weeks, months or years.

I understand that you have medical issues. I’m sorry for that. When you say a coil, are speaking of an IUD? If so, yes, I will tell you I think you should have it removed for your own sake. There are numerous problems related to IUD, not even just the moral and spiritual issues.

Look, I get told all the time, everywhere I go, that I have too many children. I am told each time I go to the store that I don’t need to “just keep having children,” and then I read your posts here saying the exact same thing. Children are NOT a curse or disaster or disease. It is more than possible for a mother to love all of her kids and support them and educate them and know them–regardless of how many she has. No, it isn’t wrong to have a small family. Sometimes there are reasons why a couple should postpone kids for many different reasons. But if God chooses to send another little one into their life, it should not be viewed as a burden.

Having lots of kids for me is only difficult when I am told numerous times how hard it must be by others. Sone if these people probably are well meaning. I try to give them the benefit if the doubt there. But it makes me weary to listen to others talk about his hard it is to keep having babies. I know I’m blessed with the fact that my personality is suited to being home with my kids. But it really isn’t completely natural. It is a daily decision to purposely choose to accept God’s will for me. It is not easy and I struggle at times, but it isn’t nearly as hard as others assume it is.
 
Burdock said:
It must be easier if both partners a catholic, my husband is not, so its totally different.
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Both my husbands were non-Catholic to begin with and they both respected my Catholic Faith. Later they converted. God Bless. Memaw
 
bitterhope, im not saying thst children are a burden or a disease, and yes I have had a mirena coil for 6 yrs, it will be removed when I am 55, I was bleeding severely and was anaemic, it was recommended to me by a gynaecologist.
 
Memaw, my husband believes that a lot of unrest and wars are caused by religion, he does respect my faith but he certainly will not be converting, we cant be expected to abstain
 
Burdock said:
It must be easier if both partners a catholic, my husband is not, so its totally different.
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I don’t think this is true either. Many non Catholics use NFP or have celibate marriages for numerous reasons. My sister in law is very well versed in NFP and has used it her entire marriage 20(?) years with my brother. They only have 3 kids and none in the last 10+ years. She is an instructor in NFP–she’s also agnostic, leaning towards Buddhist. I can’t see how denomination, faith or creed plays into what birth control method a couple chooses, because obviously many Catholics are using ABC.
 
So in the eyes of the church, I should have my coil removed, and abstain until through the menopause, end up anaemic and ill .
 
Burdock said:
So in the eyes of the church, I should have my coil removed, and abstain until through the menopause, end up anaemic and ill .
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No, not at all. Legitimate medical intervention is not sinful at all, even if it makes you infertile/sterile.
 
I believe people responded the way they did because they assumed you were using it for contraceptive purposes rather than truly medical purposes because of your other comments on this thread.
 
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