Nature of the soul after death?

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Yes they are, I literally just showed you it. You are adding nothing to this.
 
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Yes they are, I literally just showed you it. You are adding nothing to this.
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You have shown me nothing.
I slept last night. I dreamed. And there is not a device on this planet that can tell anyone where it came from, what produced it, or why it was there in the first place.

What I am adding here is a little clarity.
You seem to have a penchant for drawing a conclusion and then making up some science to support it.
The facts, if people are willing to accept how little they know, tell a different story.

Dreams may be tied directly to our physical bodies, or they may not. Science has not advanced enough to be able to say any more. We may be able to measure when exactly someone is having a dream, but we no idea where this dream is.
 
You are now just denying the evidence because you yourself have no good argument or evidence.
 
I just showed you it, but you denied it because you have nothing good to offer.
 
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I just showed you it, but you denied it because you have nothing good to offer.
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What you showed me was a paper telling us what parts of the brain are active during sleep.
It was filled with ambiguities such as “Deals with…” and “which is mostly associated…” and my personal favorite " this may explain why we…"

The author was wise enough to know they do not know.

So tell me, the sailor that was saluting me a few minutes before I awoke…
Was he real? Where was he? In my brain, or just somewhere else? And how would we know this?
 
You’re confusing how we dream as to why we dream which we don’t have an answer for yet.
 
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Having failed to prove the point. We now have name calling.

You are not doing your argument any favors.
 
Just to stop the bickering here in summary :
  1. thephilosopher6 wants to show that science can explain dreams away (I agree to some extend)
  2. vz71 wants to deny that (I also agree to some extend). What he wants to say in particular though is that science can explain HOW the process of dreams FUNCTION , but not HOW it STARTS those FUNCTIONS and WHY.
Its important to understand each other first. I believe both are right to their own extend, but lets think about this, does this somehow contribute to the quesiton of the soul ?
Even if science fully explains dreams, I don’t think it changes anything. It doesnt follow from that, that the soul does not exsist.
I think some have mentioned it here, but I don’t see why the dissapearence of the body and its functions necessarily imply that does functions are fully gone. IF we really believe in God, then we also believe in God who is being itself, not physical, that still has features like seeing,hearing, knowing , etc. If God can do the impossible, why not do the same to the soul after death ? Theres no way for us to know the operations of the soul after death, thats why this is in the philosophy thread. So all we can do is make speculations since the only evidence we can use to our advantage is the Bible itself.

Stop fighting and name calling and come to an agreement. We all have our opinions and in this case I think its ok to agree to disagree
 
It honestly boggles my mind that we’re arguing about dreams in this way. I feel like I’m in the 18th century.
 
I think the better summery is as following: We know that there is a correlation between dream and brain activity but we don’t know how such a activity can give rise to dream.
 
Well thats similliar to what I said, just restated differently
 
The operations of the soul after death are intellect and free will. While angelic beings are pure spirit and do not have a material body, the human soul is rational spirit that animates the body into one hylomorphic being. The body is a human’s avenue for interacting with the physical world, while the soul is the form of the body, functioning as the rational intellect that animates it and aligns one’s actions with or against the will of God.
The Catechism discusses the soul in paragraphs 362-368 and 1701-1709
II. “BODY AND SOUL BUT TRULY ONE”

"362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore willed by God.

363 In Sacred Scripture the term “soul” often refers to human life or the entire human person.230 But “soul” also refers to the innermost aspect of man, that which is of greatest value in him,231 that by which he is most especially in God’s image: “soul” signifies the spiritual principle in man.

364 The human body shares in the dignity of “the image of God”: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:232

Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 233

365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not “produced” by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people “wholly”, with “spirit and soul and body” kept sound and blameless at the Lord’s coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 “Spirit” signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238

368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one’s being, where the person decides for or against God.239"
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MAN: THE IMAGE OF GOD
1701 "Christ, . . . in the very revelation of the mystery of the Father and of his love, makes man fully manifest to himself and brings to light his exalted vocation."2 It is in Christ, "the image of the invisible God,"3 that man has been created “in the image and likeness” of the Creator. It is in Christ, Redeemer and Savior, that the divine image, disfigured in man by the first sin, has been restored to its original beauty and ennobled by the grace of God.4

1702 The divine image is present in every man. It shines forth in the communion of persons, in the likeness of the unity of the divine persons among themselves (cf. chapter two).

1703 Endowed with “a spiritual and immortal” soul,5 the human person is "the only creature on earth that God has willed for its own sake."6 From his conception, he is destined for eternal beatitude.

1704 The human person participates in the light and power of the divine Spirit. By his reason, he is capable of understanding the order of things established by the Creator. By free will, he is capable of directing himself toward his true good. He finds his perfection "in seeking and loving what is true and good."7

1705 By virtue of his soul and his spiritual powers of intellect and will, man is endowed with freedom, an "outstanding manifestation of the divine image."8

1706 By his reason, man recognizes the voice of God which urges him "to do what is good and avoid what is evil."9 Everyone is obliged to follow this law, which makes itself heard in conscience and is fulfilled in the love of God and of neighbor. Living a moral life bears witness to the dignity of the person.

1707 "Man, enticed by the Evil One, abused his freedom at the very beginning of history."10 He succumbed to temptation and did what was evil. He still desires the good, but his nature bears the wound of original sin. He is now inclined to evil and subject to error:

Man is divided in himself. As a result, the whole life of men, both individual and social, shows itself to be a struggle, and a dramatic one, between good and evil, between light and darkness.11

1708 By his Passion, Christ delivered us from Satan and from sin. He merited for us the new life in the Holy Spirit. His grace restores what sin had damaged in us.

1709 He who believes in Christ becomes a son of God. This filial adoption transforms him by giving him the ability to follow the example of Christ. It makes him capable of acting rightly and doing good. In union with his Savior, the disciple attains the perfection of charity which is holiness. Having matured in grace, the moral life blossoms into eternal life in the glory of heaven.
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Basically, the human soul is where the ability to choose for God or against God resides.
 
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What exactly are the “operations” of the soul after death? By this I mean, what does the soul “experience”? The act of seeing, hearing tasting, having emotions, learning, etc. are all physical, they are limited to the brain. What we think of as “consciousness”, is usually confined to what I just listed. So what states do we “experience” after death? Can the soul really be said to experience anything? Is there a different kind of consciousness within the soul that is separated from that of the body?
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Properties of the soul, are memory intellect and will. They are forever part of the soul. The soul once created by God, soul and its properties, they last forever.
 
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