Navy approves first ever Satanist

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MommyLeah:
I’m sitting here wondering why people who are pagan, wiccan, etc. etc. even bother to come to this page.
For exactly threads like this where Wiccans are lumped together with Satanists.
and plus, Heathen Dawn, I’ve known plents of wiccans who are downright NASTY to each other…primarily the women.
Well, I know one Wiccan who’s been nasty to me. But this is because he’s a nasty person, not because his religion tells him to be nasty to other people. When a religion tells the adherent to treat unbelievers like “neither bid him godspeed”, something here isn’t right.
 
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MommyLeah:
I’m sitting here wondering why people who are pagan, wiccan, etc. etc. even bother to come to this page. I welcome them, but I sure wouldn’t bother going to a pagan/wiccan forum and posting my beliefs…seems like a big waste of time…
Actually I do post on a Wicca board where people of ALL faiths are welcomed and it is not considered a waste of time, because it helps different religions to understand each other. And I agree with Heathen_Dawn as to why Wiccans/Pagans would come to this board.
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MommyLeah:
and plus, Heathen Dawn, I’ve known plents of wiccans who are downright NASTY to each other…primarily the women.
People of all religions are nasty to each other. It’s the person’s fault, not the religion’s. Personally, I think all women are nasty to each other 😛
 
Heathen Dawn:
For exactly threads like this where Wiccans are lumped together with Satanists.

Well, I know one Wiccan who’s been nasty to me. But this is because he’s a nasty person, not because his religion tells him to be nasty to other people. When a religion tells the adherent to treat unbelievers like “neither bid him godspeed”, something here isn’t right.
Soooooo, what you are saying is that there are people who are Wiccans in name only. Hmmm, seems to be a common problem across ALL religious boundaries.
 
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Apologia100:
Soooooo, what you are saying is that there are people who are Wiccans in name only. Hmmm, seems to be a common problem across ALL religious boundaries.
Of course you are going to find people in all religions, who belong only by name. In my opinion, for example, the people that are only Catholic on Easter and Christmas.
 
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Apologia100:
Soooooo, what you are saying is that there are people who are Wiccans in name only. Hmmm, seems to be a common problem across ALL religious boundaries.
No, I didn’t say that. He’s a real Wiccan as far as I’m concerned (actually I’m not sure he’s a Wiccan anymore or left for atheism, but that’s beside the point). What I was saying is he was nasty to me because of his own personality, not because he had a religious decree to be nasty towards me. In contrast (and I’ll bring a non-Christian example so you don’t think I have an anti-Christian chip on my shoulder), when religious Orthodox Jews visit me they refuse any food I ever offer them, since they have the religious law against eating non-kosher—an example of how intolerant religion severs ties between people who could otherwise be friends.
 
Have they gone totally mad??? Have these idiots never read in the Old Testament how the enemies of the Isrealites worked to undermine them before engaging them in battle, how they would get between the Isrealites and their God by similar infiltration, how these same enemies knew that if they got between the Isrealites and their God, their God would let them lose in battle and that’s exactly what happened? Ummmmmm…I’ve got a real problem with this. Or is it just me? What a pike for the enemy of all of our troops!

Peace and all good,

Thomas2
 
This is what the Royal Navy gets for manning their ships via the press gang. You get all kinds then.
 
Hey Cestus -

You forget the other folks on that boat are people.

Peace and all good,

Thomas2
 
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JGC:
We’ve seen it all now…
And to think I got LOT’s of extra duty for joking about needing a cat, an altar and a stone knife while in the Army.

The times, they are a changing.
 
Danger of inviting evil into your life
October 27, 2004

**Devil worship and Satanism should not be considered harmless, ** writes Sophie Masson.

Have you heard? Britain’s Royal Navy has its first official registered Satanist. Leading hand Christopher Cranmer, 24, has had his application to be recognised as a practising Satanist - complete with the right to perform rituals on board - approved.

He’s also revealed that he’ll be lobbying to have Old Nick’s worship recognised as a religion by the state. Now that he’s given over his life to the worship of the principle of evil, which, as the Church of Satan’s official website proclaims, is an “acceptance of man’s true state - that of a carnal beast living in a cosmos permeated and motivated by the Dark Force we call Satan” - his mother Catherine, supposedly a practising Christian, seems unmoved. “He’s not evil … in our home, we have angels on the mantelpiece,” she says.

It sounds like something out of a dodgy parody. In the words of French poet Charles Baudelaire, “The best trick the Devil ever pulled is to persuade us he didn’t exist.” That would seem to be the case, since basic disbelief in the idea that there could be such an entity is surely behind the navy’s acceptance of Cranmer’s beliefs as harmless.

Well, are they? Trawling through the Church of Satan’s website and its related links, one comes across such statements as “Let our governments be toppled! Let the strong become Masters and the weak be swept away, as they should!” and “Kill all the deluded and weak”.

The Church of Satan breezily informs us that though supposedly it venerates the “Dark Force”, in fact, “we are our own gods”. All traditional sins are henceforth virtues. Altruism is a myth; the Christian virtues are just hypocrisy; all restraints are simply attempts to force the really strong into a humiliating capitulation to the weak.

That this sub-Nietzschean, quasi-Nazi rubbish should be tolerated, much less encouraged, by the Royal Navy simply beggars belief.

The most frightening thing is that our society has seemingly become so disconnected from meaning that it no longer takes seriously the very building blocks of its culture.

Traditionally, we understood that symbols have an underlying meaning: the human world is not a parade of meaningless gestures, but a mysterious, strange place which we only partly understand, where metaphysical battles are played out every day in people’s hearts.

The figure of the devil is a very profound, living metaphor, expressed in a concrete way; to worship the principle of evil itself is to invite it into your life and the lives of those around you, sometimes in unpredictable and horrifying ways.

A year after Church of Satan founder Anton la Vey appeared in Rosemary’s Baby, Roman Polanski’s pregnant wife Sharon Tate and several friends were gruesomely murdered by the followers of mad anti-prophet Charles Manson - who laid great stress on the fact that his name, reversed, was “son of Man”.

The devil likes grim jokes, you see. Now somewhere in one of the navy’s warships, a young Satanist with an emblematic name - Christopher means “the bearer of Christ”, “Cranmer” was also the surname of a martyr of the Protestant Reformation - may well be earnestly expounding the scripture of the “Satanic Bible”, with its love of the strong and contempt for the vulnerable. It’s not a comforting thought.

Sophie Masson’s latest book is Snow, Fire, Sword (Random House Australia).
 
Fr Ambrose said:
“Cranmer” was also the surname of a martyr of the Protestant Reformation -

Bishop Cranmer was Henry’s man - who caused a few martyrs. He wasn’t one.

As Malachi Martin (RIP) used to expound, there are some who do not need a supernatural possession by Satan, they choose it. He called them perfectly possessed.

Did you see Zenit today reporting that one bishop is so concerned about these practices that he has convened a special meeting concerning it?

Naturally he is not from my country, miserere nobis.
 
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Thomas2:
Have they gone totally mad??? Have these idiots never read in the Old Testament how the enemies of the Isrealites worked to undermine them before engaging them in battle, how they would get between the Isrealites and their God by similar infiltration, how these same enemies knew that if they got between the Isrealites and their God, their God would let them lose in battle and that’s exactly what happened? Ummmmmm…I’ve got a real problem with this. Or is it just me? What a pike for the enemy of all of our troops!

Peace and all good,

Thomas2
One of the problems we have in modern Christian life is our lack of learning from our history and the OT and the NT are our spiritual history. People refuse to think that God sends forces of nature, plagues and that somehow He can be fooled by empty words. We are so intellectually trained to ignore, at our peril, the experience of many of our predecessors that many of the biblical situations plainly can be looked at from today’s modern world. We have become too “smart” for God, too scientific for mysticism, too desensitized to recognize both sin and innocence when we meet them. This appears to be a spiritual disease of our time and I know not whence the cure comes.
 
Slightly off thread (apologies), I have heard that when Henry was on his deathbed he asked for a priest and Cranmer was summoned. When Henry saw him, he sent him packing, “Not you, I want a Catholic priest!” Is this a myth? A trawl of the web found no supporting evidence…
 
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HagiaSophia:
Bishop Cranmer was Henry’s man - who caused a few martyrs. He wasn’t one.
He did meet a rather nasty end…
When King Edward VI was dying, Cranmer was persuaded, much against his will, to sign the document by which the King designated Lady Jane Grey as his successor. After the failure of the attempt to place her on the throne, Cranmer was charged with treason and sedition, and committed to the Tower of London. Thence, he was taken to Oxford and required to defend himself against the charge of heresy. Finally, sentence of death by burning was passed upon him. In the hope of saving his life, he recanted his opinions but, when called open to disavow them openly, her expressed deep regret for the cowardice which had led to his recantation and went courageously to his death (1556).
britannia.com/bios/abofc/tcranmer.html
 
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JGC:
He did meet a rather nasty end…
When King Edward VI was dying, Cranmer was persuaded, much against his will, to sign the document by which the King designated Lady Jane Grey as his successor. After the failure of the attempt to place her on the throne, Cranmer was charged with treason and sedition, and committed to the Tower of London. Thence, he was taken to Oxford and required to defend himself against the charge of heresy. Finally, sentence of death by burning was passed upon him. In the hope of saving his life, he recanted his opinions but, when called open to disavow them openly, her expressed deep regret for the cowardice which had led to his recantation and went courageously to his death (1556).
britannia.com/bios/abofc/tcranmer.html
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person. To a Catholic, Cranmer is like saying Quisling in Europe.
 
For the record, even Satanists don?t actually worship Satan. Satanism is an atheistic philosophy that sees the Biblical Satan as a metaphor for values (of selfishness, mostly) that humans should cherish.
So Satanists do not worship Satan :bowdown: though they call themselves “Satanists,” but according to Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and other hardcore evangelicals, Catholics do…
:banghead: :banghead:
This one of those times when I really need that giant cartoon mallet to do some damage. :crying:
 
Heathen Dawn:
Say what, one Christian tries to be nice, and for this he is rebuked by another Christian. This encouragement of unniceness is one major reason why I’m not even considering being a Christian.

Yeah, up for me to believe … just make the decision to become an intolerant person, yeah. We know the world is in dire shortage of intolerant people. :rolleyes:
Yes, why waste your time being intolerant when there are so many nice trees to dance around and worship? Why limit yourself to one God–when you could have billions? Why adhere to morality, when you can create your own morality?

Mother Earth (the “goddess”–not the dirt mind you) will surely approve…in your imagination, she approves everything you do, right?

:whacky:
:whacky: :whacky:
 
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Maccabees:
When I hear of Wicca and Satanist I have hard time considering these things as a real religion.

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Well they are certainly real in the “minds” of the believers, but as far as objectively…well the earth, as most people with a high school education can tell you, is a ball of dirt…not a goddess. So I guess they are “true” religions if everything we can pretend is true.

Maybe the can of soda in my hand right now is really a god…who’s to disagree? Maybe when I recycle it…I am really allowing it to be reincarnated.

:whacky: :whacky: :whacky:
 
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StubbleSpark:
For the record, even Satanists don?t actually worship Satan. Satanism is an atheistic philosophy that sees the Biblical Satan as a metaphor for values (of selfishness, mostly) that humans should cherish.
So Satanists do not worship Satan :bowdown: though they call themselves “Satanists,” but according to Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and other hardcore evangelicals, Catholics do…
:banghead: :banghead:
This one of those times when I really need that giant cartoon mallet to do some damage. :crying:
I’m one of those literalists - when you take the name of Satan for your faith, I assume you mean what you say. So to tell me that they really don’t worship him doesn’t move me a bit.
 
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StubbleSpark:
For the record, even Satanists don?t actually worship Satan. Satanism is an atheistic philosophy that sees the Biblical Satan as a metaphor for values (of selfishness, mostly) that humans should cherish.
So Satanists do not worship Satan :bowdown: though they call themselves “Satanists,” but according to Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and other hardcore evangelicals, Catholics do…
:banghead: :banghead:

This one of those times when I really need that giant cartoon mallet to do some damage. :crying:
I think only the Laveyist’s concider themselves as atheists, they are sensationlists and should be seen as that. But there are allot satanists or occultists who do infact believe in him as a deity. Some of them are very scary. Their rituals and pratices can be and are horrific. They take the term Anti-Catholic to a literal term.
 
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