NBC'a David Gregory Weapons Violation

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Let see now, Obama went to Chicago (were the dems control the machinen) to start his pollical career running for Presadent.Maybe you trust Obama with your rights, I do not. As it been ‘political death’ to ban all guns, as long as there are guns in the world, people will have guns, legally or illegally. 😃
You might ‘know’ that American love their gun rights, but there are alot of Americans that they have gun, or any other, rights.:):onpatrol::yukonjoe:
The elections over and we, Catholics, aren’t supposed to despair. We hold each other up and move forward.

What would it mean for Catholics if all guns in the world were illegal?
 
Maybe you missed the point of that part of the discussion. Someone spoke to God being taken out of schools and government buildings being a cause of evil, such as the school shootings. David Koresh and Jim Jones were examples of God being used, and abused, to cause evil, and also causing deaths of innocents.
Jim Jones was a socialist who thought that he was a god. What he preached was liberation theology. Taking the one true God out of schools and society leaves people more open to follow false messiahs like Jim Jones and David Koresh.
 
You mean the Rev. Jim Jones, don’t you?

Just throwing that in for consideration. Your point is good.
Thanks. I don’t know if Rev. Jim Jones used the Bible to justify his actions. I’m almost sure Dave Koresh did.
 
Thanks. I don’t know if Rev. Jim Jones used the Bible to justify his actions. I’m almost sure Dave Koresh did.
Satan also quoted from the Bible. Just because someone uses the Bible doesn’t mean they are a true Christian. If only everyone knew that Jesus gave us one true Church and gave this Church infallible teaching authority so that we can know the faith with certainty and not be mislead by false messiahs such as Jim Jones and David Koresh.
 
Let see now, Obama went to Chicago
It was reported this morning that another 9 died in Chicago last night as a result of gunfire.

Just another day in Chicago, I guess. So many guns, so many gangs. What is one to do?
 
Jim Jones was a socialist who thought that he was a god. What he preached was liberation theology. So what you said doesn’t apply to him.
He was a communist, and a preacher. He led people with their faith in God. He weaved in and out of a couple of denominations; Methodist, and a sect of Baptists. So, yes it applies, as did the point made about David Koresh by the other poster. God was used for men to do evil.
 
It was reported this morning that another 9 died in Chicago last night as a result of gunfire.

Just another day in Chicago, I guess. So many guns, so many gangs. What is one to do?
According to a lot of posters here, we need to get more guns up there. :eek:
 
The police can take more than an hour to show up if you report a break-in at a neighbors (even with a police station across the street, because cops are busy with other calls and crimes). Usually that respond pretty rapidly to a call that reports a shooting or a call indicating someone has a gun.

I don’t really have beef with the police. In fact, I’m happy they’re around, otherwise things would be even crazier. I don’t care for the saturation and possible random stop and frisks though.

There are actually a lot of people shot by others (intentionally) in the United States that don’t die. As I pointed out in another thread about 600 people are shot on average, in the City of Milwaukee each year. Only 70 or 100 or so of those might become homicides or fatalities.

In another thread you responded to me about gang members. Here is the problem, what strict difference there used to be between gang members and non-gang members has in large respect ceased to be.

Like the U.S. military that employees non-felon gang members as soldiers, sailors, and Marines (I served with a number of them), the U.S. military will tell you they draw from out of the U.S. culture and society at large. I would say the same is true of gang members. And the irony is that some gang members reflect more the charity of Jesus and the Apostles eating with tax collectors and sinners, and are less cruel, than some of your law-abiding, non-gang member Americans.

While I was never in a gang I have known many people in them. I personally know gang members in the 30s and 40s that go to work at a lawful job, pay taxes, take care of their spouse and kids, they do not rob people, would help an old lady carry groceries, feed someone hungry, and shoot someone that broke into their house.

Little difference between them and the “law abiding citizen.” However, they have the added common trait of the average American over personal property and “honor.” They are in a sense homicidal over all of those things. Better to die than lose face. Better to be sent to prison than to be dishonored.

Milwaukee is no Baltimore or Detroit. It’s a far less homicidal and violent city. But even in rather peaceful Milwaukee this is a day or night in a culture of guns: jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/7yearold-girl-5-others-injiured-in-overnight-shootings-5n87led-185368911.html

I will admit this mostly occurs with blacks and not whites. It was probably not too different for whites when the Sicilians, Italians, Irish, Eastern European Jews and some others made up the ghettos.

Either way… those shootings were not fatal.

Arguing too much over Republican vs Democrat or gun rightest vs those that want gun restrictions reminds me too much of the tribalism that goes on between rival gangs. VL’s and GD’s often think they are so different from each other but to me they are more alike than different. Some of them probably feel the same as they are now hanging out with each other at times.
I am in the military currently. People with gang affiliations are disciplined or processed out. They even give classes on this now. Most of the people I know who had any affiliation with gangs prior to entering the military, joined the military in part to help break those ties.

Again, your ‘evidence’ is anecdotal. I don’t care at all what your feelings are about police. I stated that their response time in an emergency is quite slower than the time taken to commit the crime. Is this not true? They are reactive, not proactive. The Terry pat is also for their safety. I don’t care how you feel about it. It is perfectly legal.

I’m done trying to point out how asinine it is to legislate restrictions that will affect law-abiding citizens more than criminals. And I was serious about what I said before: if we are going to start enacting preemptive and proactive laws regarding firearms, then I want the same done for tobacco, vehicles, and alcohol. I want extreme limits placed on people who own vehicles to buy alcohol. There should be a required distance, in the tens-of-miles, that a person must be away from their vehicle to purchase alcohol. I want interlock devices on all motorized vehicles, from full size pickups to lawnmowers. Tobacco should honestly just be outlawed. The amount of alcohol purchased each month should be restricted, and hard alcohol should be banned. Vehicles should be restricted in speed to a pre-set, nationwide limit.

I’m quite serious, by the way. If citizens can’t be trusted with something that causes harm, then why should these more dangerous things be left in our hands? If firearms go, then I really would like to see restrictions such as these enacted. I at least want consistency. I’m sick of drunk driving, car accidents, and tobacco-related deaths.
 
Satan also quoted from the Bible. Just because someone uses the Bible doesn’t mean they are a true Christian. If only everyone knew that Jesus gave us one true Church and gave this Church infallible teaching authority so that we can know the faith with certainty and not be mislead by false messiahs such as Jim Jones and David Koresh.
Then what good is the point that God was removed from a secular building? They were not Catholic institutions.
 
He was a communist, and a preacher. He led people with their faith in God. He weaved in and out of a couple of denominations; Methodist, and a sect of Baptists. So, yes it applies, as did the point made about David Koresh by the other poster. God was used for men to do evil.
Jim Jones and David Koresh were charlatans or false messiahs. The fact that they were able to fool people was not the fault of Christianity. It was due to a con artist who took advantage of people’s ignorance. A Jim Jones would never fool someone who knows to listen to the Vicar of Christ in matter of faith and morals. Some who were fooled by him realized later that he was evil but when it was too late. He lured people with a promise of a utopia on earth than with the gospel of Christ. His promises of a utopia on earth are exactly the same promises of liberalism today.
 
Jim Jones and David Koresh were charlatans or false messiahs. The fact that they were able to fool people was not the fault of Christianity. It was due to a con artist who took advantage of people’s ignorance. A Jim Jones would never fool someone who knows to listen to the Vicar of Christ in matter of faith and morals.
And again, what about the point that God was removed from schools and government buildings? That was not Catholic institutions, nor was it Catholics that included them to begin with. Jim and David took the same Bible, and the same message, and perverted them to cause evil, showing that man can include God for their own evil purposes. It’s not a fix all solution, to add God back into schools, or government buildings. Most of these killers have no association to where they commit their crimes.
 
And again, what about the point that God was removed from schools and government buildings? That was not Catholic institutions, nor was it Catholics that included them to begin with. Jim and David took the same Bible, and the same message, and perverted them to cause evil, showing that man can include God for their own evil purposes. It’s not a fix all solution, to add God back into schools, or government buildings. Most of these killers have no association to where they commit their crimes.
They were lured by a promise of a utopian society. That’s why they went with him to Jonestown. They were lured by socialism, not the gospel of Christ. Jim Jones was a liberal who used promises of racial equality to con African-Americans into following him. People began to worship him instead of God.
 
They were lured by a promise of a utopian society. That’s why they went with him to Jonestown. They were lured by socialism, not the gospel of Christ. Jim Jones was a liberal.
Those people thought they were following God. Jim Jones was a communist and a preacher.

You said socialist and now you say liberal. I see where this is going, from other threads you’ve posted on.

I’m ending all discussions with you.

God Bless
 
Those people thought they were following God. Jim Jones was a communist and a preacher.
He was a preacher who preached communism. He lured people with a promise of a liberal utopia of racial equality. And people began to worship him instead of God. He became a false messiah, what Christ warned us about in the Bible.
 
According to a lot of posters here, we need to get more guns up there. :eek:
We already have so many guns in Chicago that if you’d throw them all in Lake Michigan, you’d probably raise the water level 20 feet and flood half the city.
 
We already have so many guns in Chicago that if you’d throw them all in Lake Michigan, you’d probably raise the water level 20 feet and flood half the city.
How can this be since Chicago has one of the more strict gun control laws.

From Wikipedia:
In Chicago, gun owners are required to have a Chicago Firearm Permit, which costs $100 and must be renewed every three years.[24] Before getting the permit, the resident must complete a training course that includes at least four hours of classroom training and one hour of range time. Each gun must be registered with the Chicago Police Department at a one-time cost of $15 per gun, and an annual registration report must be filed every year.[25] Gun possession is permitted only inside a dwelling, not in a garage or on the outside grounds of the property. Only one gun at a time may be kept in a usable state.[26][27][28] Chicago’s ordinances are being challenged in court, with plaintiffs alleging that they are so restrictive and burdensome as to interfere with citizens’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.[12][29][30]
 
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