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Elizabeth502
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^ Above story also being discussed on the NC poll thread, but you bring up a good point about the Gratitude response. 
Cute signature, btw. I should buy more books; I have even less money, so I buy small flowering plants. (They’re cheap, and, like books, often more nourishing than food.)
Cute signature, btw. I should buy more books; I have even less money, so I buy small flowering plants. (They’re cheap, and, like books, often more nourishing than food.)
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didymus
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Actually, I owned a used bookstore ages ago & a friend designed the graphic for the sign and suggested the quote.Cute signature, btw. I should buy more books; I have even less money, so I buy small flowering plants. (They’re cheap, and, like books, often more nourishing than food.)
As for buying more books, you can still get them cheap, check & see if your library has sales of discarded/donated books.
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bellasbane
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Mother Jones’ ran an article about the possible impact of Amendment 1 passing in North Carolina. I think the most significant concern is whether unmarried heterosexual couples will continue to be legally recognized with regard to a number of issues regarding domestic violence, child custody & support, end of life agreements, and health insurance benefits.
Here’s a bit from the article:
N.C.'s Amendment 1 Doesn’t Just Screw Over Gay People
But Amendment 1 could also have troubling implications for straight couples. Thanks to the law’s vague wording, critics argue it would likely strip away many of the legal rights associated with domestic partnerships or legal unions.
This is because Amendment 1 says “Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State.” While it’s being called a gay marriage ban, the amendment is more than that—it’s an all-out refusal to recognize any kind of partnership or union that isn’t marriage. So gay North Carolinians, who couldn’t get married anyway, are screwed, and so are straight, unmarried North Carolina couples.
motherjones.com/mojo/2012/05/amendment-1-north-carolina-gay-people
Will this amendment encourage people to get married & stay married? That’s the question and North Carolina is doing the social experiment. Right now, the divorce rate in North Carolina is twice as high as in Massachusetts (3.9 vs. 1.8), and like Massachusetts, North Carolina is on the path to become a center of high-tech industry. It will be interesting to see how things pan out in both states over the course of the next decade.
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AlwaysCurious
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There was a whole lot of fear-mongering going on here in the days leading up to the vote. It got to the point that you really didn’t know who to trust when it came to the “professional, legal” experts (considering the majority of the states have an amendment like this and you don’t hear of rampant legal problems prosecuting abuse, etc., I assume it will not lead to the state’s collapse
). The NC bishops addressed these concerns directly on their websites, and I trusted them more than any of the other voices out there, and went with their very clear support of the amendment.
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Ridgerunner
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But how is this anything new?
In many states, mine included, there are no special rights conferred on a heterosexual couple living together without marriage. Yes, each has parental rights conferred by law. Each might have contractual rights or equitable rights in property conferred by law. Each has a right to file against the other for domestic abuse, in the same way siblings might. Otherwise, they are just two independent people living in the same house.
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_Abyssinia
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Victory for marriage!
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_Abyssinia
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**The North Carolina Catholic Bishops endorsed the amendment: **
youtube.com/watch?v=qN06iFw8dpI
Letter to the Diocese of Charlotte from Bishop Jugis:
catholicnewsherald.com/50-news/roknewspager-viewpoints/1693-bishop-peter-jugis-in-support-of-marriage
Catholic Bishops of North Carolina - Vote FOR Marriage Part 1:
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dDYKVzpI2ZU
youtube.com/watch?v=qN06iFw8dpI
Letter to the Diocese of Charlotte from Bishop Jugis:
- “The natural institution of marriage has been blessed and elevated by Christ to the dignity of a sacrament. This means that Christian marriage is more than a contract between two persons. Because they are married in the Lord, the spouses acquire a special relationship to each other and to society. Their love becomes a living image of the manner in which the Lord personally loves His people and is united with them. Living a Christian sacramental marriage becomes a fundamental way of attaining salvation.
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Because marriage offers benefits, unlike any other, to persons, to society and to the Church, the institution of marriage, as the union of one man and one woman, must be preserved and protected.”*Catholic Bishops of North Carolina - Vote FOR Marriage Part 1:
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dDYKVzpI2ZU
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Scott_Lafrance
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Christ would be persecuted as an intolerant bigot if He were physically present in our society today.
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Kathryn_Ann
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I’m very glad :curtsey:you started this thread this morning, didymus, as I’ve been encountering many angry posts on my Facebook page from people who are extremely upset by the outcome of the vote, calling the voters all manner of unkind words:slapfight: much too awful to list here.
I haven’t seen such anger in print for quite some time. People have a right to their opinions, but resorting to name- calling is inappropriate. The voters in over 30 states have made themselves clear. It’s sad to see friends and family members resort to such labels simply because someone doesn’t agree with them on the issue. I imagine many of us have friends and family who may be discussing this and similar issues who feel strongly about their beliefs. I’m wondering what other’s reactions are to people obviously against what Catholics believe, and who resort to ugly:tsktsk: name-calling?
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Is anyone here experiencing this :frighten:anger about the NC vote?**
My personal response was simply to post (on my own page, not as a reply to individuals) some lovely artwork 1-the marriage of The Blessed Virgin :nun1:Mary to Joseph, and 2-a bit about the Sacrament of Marriage as defined by The Church,
and 3- a beautiful artwork of The Holy Family. I don’t want to engage in angry posts but feel that I am making a statement by standing up for my beliefs in a forthright way.I am praying that some of them might take a moment, out of respect for each other as children of God,:heaven: and realize that such name calling won’t lead to peace. I am praying for our country, and for all my friends and family!
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scipio337
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There are more "might"s in that article than you can shake a stick at. Sounds like a high amount of speculation.
I’m wondering how the lack of marriage or any union relationship would invalidate any legal contract.
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exnihilo
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And I hope they will pray for those who voted for the amendment. My wife has Facebook, I don’t, and her feed is full of people who have called those who voted for this amendment hateful, ignorant, uncaring and all the usual insults the tolerance crowd hurls. Those sorts of things really bother my wife.
Actually according to some people against the amendment nothing changes since we already had a law that covered the same ground as this amendment. Out of one side of their mouth they would say the law changes nothing. Out of the other they would say children would suffer terribly. The opposition couldn’t get their story straight.
There was not before any legal union other than marriage. So no rights were granted to any legal union besides marriage. Nothing changes.
Indeed it is a ban on creating any other legal union other than marriage. But the various couples who are not married seem to get along just fine without marriage.
I don’t think the amendment had anything to do with encouraging people to get married. The purpose was to prevent the courts from finding that we must allow two people of the same sex to marry. The courts would have made this ruling eventually, as they have in other states. There are really not that many legal benefits of marriage and private contracts, which are still explicitly legal under the amendment, can provide all the legal benefits other than any tax benefits.
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Scott_Lafrance
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It won’t, and the gay lobby knows it. Civil contracts are a perfectly legitimate way to conjoin two adult parties without pretending that it’s marriage. This is how the devil works, he creates a cheap imitation of what God has made, and then he sells it as “just as good as the real thing”. Look at the garden of Eden. Things disn’t turn out so well. I mean, it was ONLY a piece of fruit, right? What harm can there be in having a piece of fruit. God surely cannot have meant that we weren’t supposed to eat from THAT tree. I mean, He gave us everything else, right?There are more "might"s in that article than you can shake a stick at. Sounds like a high amount of speculation.
I’m wondering how the lack of marriage or any union relationship would invalidate any legal contract.
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exnihilo
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Oh yes I’m experiencing it. Or more precisely my wife is with Facebook. It is truly terrible. And she being a good bit more sensitive than me takes it pretty hard. I think what also bothers her is that the overwhelming majority of her friends seem to be against marriage and hateful of people who are for it. I have to say it bothers me too. I think she/we need new friends!
Most troubling is seeing how many Christians, Catholics too, are against marriage. They have been telling us via Facebook that Jesus was for gay marriage. If this is true I would abandon the Faith as it has obviously been a pack of lies if it has gotten so essential a truth wrong for so long. The only person on Facebook that was for marriage was a Southern Baptist. Of course I’ve always thought Facebook was evil and this just helps prove my case.
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AlwaysCurious
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There’s been plenty of it. Mostly a lot of posts from people saying how ashamed they are to be from NC and others asking (somewhat apocalyptically) if we know what we just did.
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SamH
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Perhaps NC is ashamed of them.There’s been plenty of it. Mostly a lot of posts from people saying how ashamed they are to be from NC and others asking (somewhat apocalyptically) if we know what we just did.
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Kathryn_Ann
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exnihilo, I understand your dear wife’s reaction.:angel1: I’m just continuing to post classic artwork of The Holy Family to state my opinion. (Yes, some of us may be thinking, "do I need new friends!!?) But I like letting people of opposite opinions have a definite source in front of their eyes.
While they continue to post their hateful:tsktsk: statements, let them see Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin,
and Her Son and His Holy Church which makes quite clear, through the Magisterium, exactly what we believe. I will also continue to post the Church’s statements on The Sacrament of Marriage, without entering into any mean-spirited :slapfight::blackeye:discussions.Best wishes!:harp:
Kathryn Ann:heaven:
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fix
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The para-experts cannot wait to claim all sorts of things. After reading the article I thought…so what?
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My wife doesn’t get on facebook much, but she got on this morning to check her PMs. She said it was terrible on there with all the hate and name calling. It is so saddening to see this…
I can say one thing for sure. Today, I am proud to call myself a North Carolinian, born and bred!
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