Tis_Bearself
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^^^THIS
Wish I could “like” this 100 times. Really there’s nothing else to say here except just stop.
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Wish I could “like” this 100 times. Really there’s nothing else to say here except just stop.
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Hope1960
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I think I probably learned my lesson, but to clarify, I haven’t gone to or considered going to “all of these non denominational churches.” I went to one ND church.
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Hope1960
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Is it safe to say that this pastor is wrong in his teachings?
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HeDa
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This is what you wrote:
“This is the same snotty guy I tried talking with a long time ago and he seemed to be kind of jerky then, too.”
Is this behaviour of him Christlike? Talking badly about other Christians - is that Christian behaviour? Is he more of a “see me hear me” and “I me my mine” guy? It is easier for many ND pastors to “go after” the Catholic Church as it has a long and documented history. For them to go after each protestant denomination they would really have to work as there are so many that teach some things in common with other denominations but not agreeing on other topics. And if doing so they would also question their own existence.
The question is: Is this ND church and he the kind of pastor that will do everything that he possibly can to help you reach heaven and spend eternity with Christ?
“This is the same snotty guy I tried talking with a long time ago and he seemed to be kind of jerky then, too.”
Is this behaviour of him Christlike? Talking badly about other Christians - is that Christian behaviour? Is he more of a “see me hear me” and “I me my mine” guy? It is easier for many ND pastors to “go after” the Catholic Church as it has a long and documented history. For them to go after each protestant denomination they would really have to work as there are so many that teach some things in common with other denominations but not agreeing on other topics. And if doing so they would also question their own existence.
The question is: Is this ND church and he the kind of pastor that will do everything that he possibly can to help you reach heaven and spend eternity with Christ?
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edward_george1
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Yes. When he talks about the few things the Catholic Church got right, as opposed to his own church’s teachings being true, he’s got it very much backwards.
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Francis
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John 21:24 This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and has written them, and we know that his testimony is true. 25 But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
John 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, because he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine. For this reason I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
John 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, because he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine. For this reason I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
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TC3033
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You should try my wife’s parish sometime. One homily that stood out most to us was where he said he didn’t understand why Catholic “girls” don’t always go for Catholic “boys”. Catholic boys will respect women where the others won’t. These others only see women as being there for their entertainment. Since I’m not Catholic I guess I fall into the “other” category, which was very awkward for my wife and three boys hear said about their Dad.
There’s other stuff, but that was the most recent and promenant. I think he may have been asked, or taken the hint, to tone down his shots at non-Catholics. It was really alienating those couples and families in Catholic/non-Catholic marriages. I don’t think I stepped foot in the church for 4 or 5 months after that. It’s getting a bit further and farther between and a little less more direct, more passive in the instance when he does say or write something about NC’s.
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ChristMyLife
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I’ll echo the sentiment of others…
Why do you keep going back? Are you enthralled with these folks for some reason? Are you doubting your Catholic faith?
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mikie11b
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They would more than likely say they are demons. That’s what I was always taught before I converted.
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Francis
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@Hope1960
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by its cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you submit to it readily enough. 5 I think that I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles. 6 I may be untrained in speech, but not in knowledge; certainly in every way and in all things we have made this evident to you.
7 Did I commit a sin by humbling myself so that you might be exalted, because I proclaimed God’s good newsto you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by accepting support from them in order to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and was in need, I did not burden anyone, for my needs were supplied by the friends who came from Macedonia. So I refrained and will continue to refrain from burdening you in any way. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, this boast of mine will not be silenced in the regions of Achaia. 11 And why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!
12 And what I do I will also continue to do, in order to deny an opportunity to those who want an opportunity to be recognized as our equals in what they boast about. 13 For such boasters are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is not strange if his ministers also disguise themselves as ministers of righteousness. Their end will match their deeds.
As saint paul says in 1 Corinthians 11; I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by its cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you submit to it readily enough. 5 I think that I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles. 6 I may be untrained in speech, but not in knowledge; certainly in every way and in all things we have made this evident to you.
7 Did I commit a sin by humbling myself so that you might be exalted, because I proclaimed God’s good newsto you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by accepting support from them in order to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and was in need, I did not burden anyone, for my needs were supplied by the friends who came from Macedonia. So I refrained and will continue to refrain from burdening you in any way. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, this boast of mine will not be silenced in the regions of Achaia. 11 And why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!
12 And what I do I will also continue to do, in order to deny an opportunity to those who want an opportunity to be recognized as our equals in what they boast about. 13 For such boasters are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is not strange if his ministers also disguise themselves as ministers of righteousness. Their end will match their deeds.
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Hope1960
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Some people on CARM said that.
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BoomerangToo
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Sorry you went through that. I hope in the future the priest watches his mouth a little better. That is honestly the first time I’ve ever heard anything like that.
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Hope1960
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Well, I’d say probably no, but he says he is. Btw, when he was being snotty before, it was during an email conversation about evolution.
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Hope1960
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I went there to learn more about the Protestant side of things but all they want to do is fight and avoid answering questions.
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steve-b
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Hope,
a present day showman’s attempt to invent his own church shouldn’t even be considered.
The bible?
If he gave even a modicum of effort, he’d see that the “bible” came about by the Catholic Church.
Ask the showman,
- who gave us the list of books that make up the bible? Who gave us the index?
- which book in the bible says that it is scripture?
- which book says it is the “bible” that is the only source of truth?
- Bible isn’t even mentioned in the bible. That is in it’s original language
- His father in faith, as a protestant, is the heretic Luther. Who gave Luther the authority to remove 7 OT books from the canon ? He also wanted to remove 4 NT books as well.
Short answer, the Catholic Church was there in the beginning, instituted by Christ Himself…
Some history (properly referenced)
Catholic Church 1st century
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Hope1960
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He didn’t invent the church. It’s been in our community since the 60’s or 70’s.
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Hope1960
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I wish I had the nerve and education to be able to debate him, but it’s probably best to just not talk to him anymore.
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Wannano
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Hope, to be fair to yourself, you really should not base “the Protestant side of things” on the experience you have had at only one church…and a non-denominational one at that. There is much more to the Protestant side of things than what you have described.LumineDiei:
I went there to learn more about the Protestant side of things but all they want to do is fight and avoid answering questions.
You have been making fairly snide judgements about your experience…which makes me question if your own sincerity exceeds that of those you are castigating or not.
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Hope1960
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I’m just being honest about my experiences at that church and CARM. Sorry if I came off as snotty myself.
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Wannano
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Thank you for listening. Please do yourself a favor, if, and I mean it kindly…IF , you have a real genuine desire to experience something different than what you have, please look further into the whole spectrum before judging us all by the experience at one ND church.
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