Nebraska Bishop: ‘Mainstream Reporters’ Largely Ignored Gosnell Abortion Clinic ‘Reminiscent of Auschwitz’

[JMJSHJ]

forward.com/articles/173039/pope-francis-i-speaks-on-holocaust-israel-and-jews/?p=all

My, oh, my! Looks like the Holy Father and I are of the same opinion!

“Universalizing the tragic period, the Cardinal declares: “The shoah is a genocide like the other genocides of the 20th century.” But at the same time he acknowledges that “There is something special about an idolatrous construction against the Jewish people.”

The cardinal says Nazism hold a special place in the annals of totalitarianism because of its emphasis on racial purity and its placement of race on a higher plane than the divinity.

“The ideals of a pure race are the idols upon which the Nazis formed themselves … Every Jew that was killed is a strike against the living God in the name of the idols,” he says. “The devil was present in the idols which eased the human conscience.”

I am not going to belabor my point about comparing things to the Holocaust. Pope Francis has already spoken for me.

Having read what your link said about what Pope Francis when he was Cardinal, stated was that the Shoah or Holocaust of WW2 was that it was unique, distinct, etc. Of course that is true. Every genocide is unique. However just because it was unique doesn’t mean that there aren’t other Genocide’s or Holocausts.

If your point is that the Holocaust of abortion shouldn’t be compared to the Shoah then explain why Pope John Paul II says the same thing?

lifenews.com/2005/02/19/nat-1202/

So, quantity trumps quality (of sin) every time? Hmm. Perhaps you too should read Pope Francis’ feelings about this issue. (See my response to JMJSHJ.) I repeat that abortion is “a” holocaust but not “the” Holocaust. Even the Church believes that the word “holocaust” should only refer to the extermination of the Jews during WWII. See the red print:

revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2011/02/word-holocaust-to-be-removed-from.html

The fact that a number of you have used the term “Shoah” leads me to believe that you are in accordance with what I–and the Holy Father–are saying.

Your link hardly substantiates that the Church believes that the word Holocaust should only refer to the extermination of Jews during WWII.

Any regrets on voting for Pres. Obama?

 

[chosen_people]

Having read what your link said about what Pope Francis when he was Cardinal, stated was that the Shoah or Holocaust of WW2 was that it was unique, distinct, etc. Of course that is true. Every genocide is unique. However just because it was unique doesn’t mean that there aren’t other Genocide’s or Holocausts.

If your point is that the Holocaust of abortion shouldn’t be compared to the Shoah then explain why Pope John Paul II says the same thing?

lifenews.com/2005/02/19/nat-1202/

Your link hardly substantiates that the Church believes that the word Holocaust should only refer to the extermination of Jews during WWII.

Any regrets on voting for Pres. Obama?

It is almost unfathomable the lack of basic sensitivity toward Jews but also the inability to understand how absurd, specious and convuluted is the analogy between Auschwitz and abortion. It remains only to be asked: do they believe the root causes of abortion may be found in centuries of religious anti-Semitism or of cultural anti-Semitism or of racial anti-Semitism?

 

[estesbob]

It is almost unfathomable the lack of basic sensitivity toward Jews but also the inability to understand how absurd, specious and convuluted is the analogy between Auschwitz and abortion. It remains only to be asked: do they believe the root causes of abortion may be found in centuries of religious anti-Semitism or of cultural anti-Semitism or of racial anti-Semitism?

Do you support abortion “rights”?

 

[vz71]

Do you support abortion “rights”?

I support the right of an individual to decide if they should become pregnant.

Once conception occurs, The right of both individuals to live if the paramount concern.

 

[NeedsMercy]

Having read what your link said about what Pope Francis when he was Cardinal, stated was that the Shoah or Holocaust of WW2 was that it was unique, distinct, etc. Of course that is true. Every genocide is unique. However just because it was unique doesn’t mean that there aren’t other Genocide’s or Holocausts.

But this is what I’ve been saying! You’ve even cited my quote!

If your point is that the Holocaust of abortion shouldn’t be compared to the Shoah then explain why Pope John Paul II says the same thing?

lifenews.com/2005/02/19/nat-1202/

I did a little more reading on that. John Paul’s “comparison” was ever so much more subtle. Besides, his record of improving Catholic-Jewish relations cannot be argued. The fact that he lived through this horrid time in history makes him a better authority on the Holocaust than Conley. You should also note that Benedict (then Cardinal) said that John Paul was not making a comparison at all.

Your link hardly substantiates that the Church believes that the word Holocaust should only refer to the extermination of Jews during WWII.

A re-write of the Bible doesn’t convince you?

Any regrets on voting for Pres. Obama?

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[NeedsMercy]

How does that prove your position?

You don’t “prove” a position. You either back it up with facts or rebut it with facts. That Pope Francis has said the same thing about the uniqueness of the Holocaust as that which I am trying to say here, would seem to support my position.

 

[NeedsMercy]

Given her writings I cannot see anyway she would agree with you. None.

I have read her Diary twice and am currently re-reading it. I know **exactly ** what St. Faustina says about abortion:

1276 September 16, 1937. * "I wanted very much to make a Holy Hour before the Blessed Sacrament today, but God’s will was otherwise. At eight o’clock I was seized with such violent pains that I had to go to bed at once. I was convulsed with pain for three hours; that is, until eleven o’clock at night. No medicine had any effect on me, and whatever I swallowed I threw up. At times, the pains caused me to lose consciousness. Jesus had me realize that in this way I took part in His Agony in the Garden, and that He himself allowed these sufferings in order to offer reparation to God for the souls murdered in the wombs of wicked mothers. I have gone through these sufferings three times now. They always start at eight o’clock in the evening and last until eleven. No medicine can lessen these sufferings. When eleven o’clock comes, they cease by themselves, and I fall asleep at that moment. The following day, I feel very weak.

“This happened to me for the first time when I was at the sanatorium. The doctors couldn’t get to the bottom of it, and no injection or medicine helped me at all nor did I myself have any idea of what the sufferings were about. I told the doctor that never before in my life had I experienced such sufferings, and he declared he did not know what sort of pains they are. But now I understand the nature of these pains, because the Lord himself has made this known to me… Yet when I think that I may perhaps suffer in this way again, I tremble. But I don’t know whether I’ll ever again suffer in this way; I leave that to God. What it pleases God to send, I will accept with submission and love. If only I could save even one soul from murder by means of these sufferings!”*

Since the Nazis marched into Poland one year–almost to the day-- after her death, I can’t find any of Faustina’s views of the Holocaust or of whether the Holocaust is similar to abortion. But, please, give me your source that proves that she would never have agreed with the opinion I’ve stated here.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[JMJSHJ]

I did a little more reading on that. John Paul’s “comparison” was ever so much more subtle. Besides, his record of improving Catholic-Jewish relations cannot be argued. The fact that he lived through this horrid time in history makes him a better authority on the Holocaust than Conley. You should also note that Benedict (then Cardinal) said that John Paul was not making a comparison at all.

A little more subtle? Doubtful. First off you don’t know what Bishop Conley is doing with Catholic Jewish relations. Secondly, it is completely illogical to say that those who are active in Catholic Jewish relations can say this versus those who aren’t.

 

[NeedsMercy]

A little more subtle? Doubtful.

bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/pope/johnpaulii_1.shtml#h4

Here is what John Paul II said in Memory and Identity, 2005:

“It was a legally elected parliament which allowed for the election of Hitler in Germany in the 1930s…

“We have to question the legal regulations that have been decided in the parliaments of present day democracies. The most direct association which comes to mind is the abortion laws…

“Parliaments which create and promulgate such laws must be aware that they are transgressing their powers and remain in open conflict with the law of God and the law of nature.”

Here is what the Bishop said:

“One would expect a murderous doctor, running a “clinic” reminiscent of Auschwitz, to face a media blitz and a burst of public outrage.”

I think that most people would say that His Holiness was more subtle than the Bishop.

First off you don’t know what Bishop Conley is doing with Catholic Jewish relations.

Tell me, then.

Secondly, it is completely illogical to say that those who are active in Catholic Jewish relations can say this versus those who aren’t.

Putting words in my mouth, JMJSHJ. I didn’t say that at all. My point: Pope JPII was more empathetic to the Jewish perspective because of his background and his work in promoting healthy relations between the two religions.