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Thankyou Bflo I agree I have been told on many occasions that the church shouldn’t be judged on it’s congregation that I should continue to come for me. But i feel that the congregation does reflect on the church by its behavoir especially when that behaviour is somewhat less than christian. If people saw a bus full of school kids behaving like louts wouldn’t that reflect poorly on the school? This may be a reflection on this particular community, but i have lived in a lot of places and i havn’t found it different anywhere else. :confused:
 
Thankyou Bflo I agree I have been told on many occasions that the church shouldn’t be judged on it’s congregation that I should continue to come for me. But i feel that the congregation does reflect on the church by its behavoir especially when that behaviour is somewhat less than christian. If people saw a bus full of school kids behaving like louts wouldn’t that reflect poorly on the school? This may be a reflection on this particular community, but i have lived in a lot of places and i havn’t found it different anywhere else. :confused:
I had this experience at a gurudwara where one of the kids addressed me by a term translated from Punjabi as “fat Polack,” and it was more offensive than if he had said it in English; the term included a word as nasty in Punjabi as the N-word is in English. We have not returned to this place on a regular basis, because it definitely made me feel not only unwanted, but like a lesser human being. the kid was not only not chastised, but when he got arrested a year later for DWI his parents had the nerve to ask my father in law to bail him out, and then they were all sweetness and light. I don’t blame the Sikhs as a whole, but I do blame that congregation for letting it slide.

Unfortunately you are right and it is the same everywhere; there are going to be such people in every faith and congregation. I guess our place is to be the example, and not sink to the levels of those who would reflect their communities poorly.

Blessed be,
Polska
 
Dear NewSeeker,
God Bless you. What you said are all true. Catholicism is about freedom of will and that is one greatest gift God has given us because without that we can be cultists in a cult group brainwashed by those who want you to behave like they want you to behave. Making our own will is just the most wonderful thing we can offer to God especially if we do all righteousness. I have no problem having nobody to share my joy or entertain the joy of others. What is important to me is I know my Lord, my Church and grow with the Love of Christ. Saving is not about having friends around you. It is about you alone. Remember the sermon on the mount.
 
“When mormons Call” is probably the best I have seen especially when dealing with the door to door missionaries. It tells you what steps they go through to try to convert you from their first visit up to the last it tells you exactly how to respond to them. It is very helpful!!!
Thanks! I am so going to try to find this online tonight. I work with a couple of Mormons and always wondered about their faith. I got into a “discussion” with the one I know fairly well the other night and … well … I posted about it in my personal blog. (little_princess.bravejournal.com/entry/26551)

Their beliefs are strange – Christ is not God, Christ and Satan were brothers, the Holy Trinity does not exist, etc. Be very wary of them!
 
Thanks! I am so going to try to find this online tonight. I work with a couple of Mormons and always wondered about their faith. I got into a “discussion” with the one I know fairly well the other night and … well … I posted about it in my personal blog. (little_princess.bravejournal.com/entry/26551)

Their beliefs are strange – Christ is not God, Christ and Satan were brothers, the Holy Trinity does not exist, etc. Be very wary of them!
If I wanted to learn more about the Catholic Church, would you recommend me to read an anti-Catholic book by written by an Evangelical Protestant?

zerinus
 
If I wanted to learn more about the Catholic Church, would you recommend me to read an anti-Catholic book by written by an Evangelical Protestant?

zerinus
Zerinus,

No, I would not. Why do you ask? I went to the LDS site, Mormon.org for information.
 
If I wanted to learn more about the Catholic Church, would you recommend me to read an anti-Catholic book by written by an Evangelical Protestant?

zerinus
No dude, I’d tell you to read the Catechism of The Catholic Church; it’s easily accessible, even on-line. That’s the whole deal, straight from the horse’s mouth. Like if I have questions about Mormonism, I’ll ask a Mormon (though that’s not too reliable because you often get conflicting or “milk-before-meat” type answers), check the LDS website, the JoD, D&C and those types of sources.
 
The reason why people go to non-Mormon sources for information on Mormonism is simple: Mormons are known to be secretive and deceptive about what they really believe. Most people know that a Mormon will not answer their questions about unique Mormon beliefs and Mormon history completely or honestly.

See these comments by Helen Whitney, producer of the PBS special “The Mormons”. She says that it was her experience during the making of the film that Mormons were consistently unwilling to honestly answer her questions about unique LDS doctrines and practices. She also comments on GBH’s dissembling about Mormon godhood.

Paul
 
The reason why people go to non-Mormon sources for information on Mormonism is simple: Mormons are known to be secretive and deceptive about what they really believe. Most people know that a Mormon will not answer their questions about unique Mormon beliefs and Mormon history completely or honestly.

See these comments by Helen Whitney, producer of the PBS special “The Mormons”. She says that it was her experience during the making of the film that Mormons were consistently unwilling to honestly answer her questions about unique LDS doctrines and practices. She also comments on GBH’s dissembling about Mormon godhood.

Paul
Watching the full program is more interesting:

fora.tv/2007/11/10/Mitt_Mormonism_and_the_Media

zerinus
 
This ministry has a fetish for mormonism. There entire ministry is focused on the mormon church. They are antimormon. And it is not very christian because of it.
whyme… Is this website telling the truth about the mormon church?
 
Going to Isaiah Bennet to learn about Mormonism is like going to an Evangelical Protestant activist to learn about Catholicism.

zerinus
Once again, Zerinus, the blog post is about a conversation that I had with a convert to Mormonism complete with information straight for the LDS site itself. I never once posted a link to an anti-Mormon site.

I was curious about their beliefs after watching a special on PBS about Joseph Smith and his founding of the Mormon church. She told me her beliefs and referrend me to LDS.org, to which I went when I got home.
 
I was referring to this post:
alavenderluvbug;3345421 said:
“When mormons Call” is probably the best I have seen especially when dealing with the door to door missionaries. It tells you what steps they go through to try to convert you from their first visit up to the last it tells you exactly how to respond to them. It is very helpful!!!
Thanks! I am so going to try to find this online tonight. I work with a couple of Mormons and always wondered about their faith. I got into a “discussion” with the one I know fairly well the other night and … well … I posted about it in my personal blog. (little_princess.bravejournal.com/entry/26551)

Thank you. I had not read your blog very carefully. However, what you have stated in your blog seems to me to be derived from anti-Mormonism rather than Mormonism. I don’t think anyone reading official Mormon literature, without supplementing it with anti-Mormon literature, would come to that conclusion.
Their beliefs are strange – Christ is not God, . . .
False! We believe that Christ is God.
. . . Christ and Satan were brothers, . . .
False! I have addressed that in my blog post, which you can have the pleasure of reading here.
. . . the Holy Trinity does not exist, etc.
False! The Holy Trinity very much does exist; but the Holy Trinity of the Bible, not the false Trinity of Apostate Christendom.
Be very wary of them!
False! Be wary of Mormon apostates and anti-Mormons!

And as for your blog, I am willing to give it a point by point response at a later time if you wish.

zeirnus
 
False! We believe that Christ is God.
From what I’ve read at Mormon.org and what devout Mormons have told me, the official teaching of the church is that God is God and the Christ is one of many of His children. Christ was chosen to be sent as the savior. The official site of the LDS never once states that Christ is God, only that “Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Under the direction of your Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the earth.” (mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/jesus-christ-our-savior/jesus-christ)
False! I have addressed that in my blog post, which you can have the pleasure of reading here.
Only Mormon states that:
"*So, the answer to the question as to whether or not Satan and Jesus are brothers is that they are brothers in a spiritual sense, but in the same sense that we believe that Jesus is your brother or my brother. Spiritually, all God’s children are brothers and sisters.

You might consider Satan a disinherited member of God’s family according to LDS doctrine. At one point, he had the same opportunity as you or I to become like God, but because of his pride and choices, he has been cast out of God’s presence for eternity.*" (onlymormon.blogspot.com/2007/11/do-mormons-believe-that-jesus-christ.html)

LDS.org states that:

On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some—especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. … We can only imagine the sorrow of our Heavenly Father as he watched a loved son incite and lead a rebellion and lose his opportunity for exaltation. But we can also imagine the Father’s love and rejoicing as he welcomed back the beloved son who had valiantly and perfectly fought the battles of life and brought about the great Atonement through his suffering and death.” (lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=4a10ef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1)

Now, you were saying?
False! The Holy Trinity very much does exist; but the Holy Trinity of the Bible, not the false Trinity of Apostate Christendom.
In John 10:30, Christ states that “The Father and I are One.”

The teachings on the Holy Trinity are not false. How can you claim that the “revelation” of a doubting occultist/Gnostic is true and turn you nose up at the truth laid forth in the Bible.
False! Be wary of Mormon apostates and anti-Mormons!
I am not anti-Mormon nor am I a Mormon apostate. I was never and will never be a member of the church founded by Joseph Smith in the 19th century. I have not once quoted an anti-Mormon, either.
And as for your blog, I am willing to give it a point by point response at a later time if you wish.
zeirnus

By all means, please do. 😃 You may do so right there in the comment section of my blog if you wish. I do not delete posts unless they contain profanity or vulgarity.
 
From what I’ve read at Mormon.org and what devout Mormons have told me, the official teaching of the church is that God is God and the Christ is one of many of His children. Christ was chosen to be sent as the savior. The official site of the LDS never once states that Christ is God, only that “Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Under the direction of your Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the earth.” (mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/jesus-christ-our-savior/jesus-christ)
“God is God” is a nonsensical assertion. We believe that the Father is God, and we also believe that the Son is God. What we don’t believe is the false theology of apostate Christendom that the Father and the Son are somehow mixed up together in some kind of absurd monstrosity that nobody is supposed to comprehend.
Only Mormon states that: . . .
“Only Mormon” is not the source from which I get my understanding of LDS doctrine from, and neither for that matter is this:
LDS.org states that:

On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some—especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. … We can only imagine the sorrow of our Heavenly Father as he watched a loved son incite and lead a rebellion and lose his opportunity for exaltation. But we can also imagine the Father’s love and rejoicing as he welcomed back the beloved son who had valiantly and perfectly fought the battles of life and brought about the great Atonement through his suffering and death.” (lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=4a10ef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1)

Now, you were saying?
I was saying that I obtain my understanding of LDS doctrine from the scriptural canon of the LDS Church, which we call the standard works, not from any other source. In my blog post I had explained what that is. If you have any comments on that, please continue.
In John 10:30, Christ states that “The Father and I are One.”
And in John 17 Christ states that:

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Now you were saying?
The teachings on the Holy Trinity are not false. How can you claim that the “revelation” of a doubting occultist/Gnostic is true and turn you nose up at the truth laid forth in the Bible.
I was turning up my nose at the false theology of apostate Christendom, not at the Bible. Please don’t twist what I say. Christianity is apostate; that is why it has all those false doctrines in it. Joseph Smith was a true prophet who came to rectify those errors.
I am not anti-Mormon nor am I a Mormon apostate. . . . I have not once quoted an anti-Mormon, either.
You must think that people are very stupid. All the trash that you have posted above comes straight out of anti-Mormonism. You did not come to that conclusion just by reading the LDS website.
I was never and will never be a member of the church founded by Joseph Smith in the 19th century.
You mean you will not have the privilage. And what did you think I should do about that?

zerinus
 
You must think that people are very stupid. All the trash that you have posted above comes straight out of anti-Mormonism. You did not come to that conclusion just by reading the LDS website.

You must think that people are very stupid not to be able to put two and two together simply by reading PRO Mormon sites. All the so-called “antimormon” sites tell the truth about Mormonism and anyone who reads anything from a pro mormon site can see that.

in Christ
Steph
 
People who are not Mormon but study Mormonism must be very careful to avoid misstatements. Therefore it is difficult to find untruths on “antimormon” web-sites. The point is to make LDS writhe and squirm, not bite back like vipers. :bigyikes: Remember that they tend to have a persecution complex-- tread carefully.
 
I just wanted to thank everyone for their comments and advice. What i’ve realised in all this is that i know absolutely nothing about my own church’s history. When faced with the Missionary’s statements I can’t say anything because of my ignorance so thats my mission now, to study the Catholic history. So thanks again I’ll continue to read the threads here for the wealth of information and just to put a smile on my face :bowdown2:
 
I just wanted to thank everyone for their comments and advice. What i’ve realised in all this is that i know absolutely nothing about my own church’s history. When faced with the Missionary’s statements I can’t say anything because of my ignorance so thats my mission now, to study the Catholic history. So thanks again I’ll continue to read the threads here for the wealth of information and just to put a smile on my face :bowdown2:
Why not sign-up for RCIA? Lots of Catholics do that for a refresher. You’ll meet some cool new people and it’ll probably be a very good experience.
 
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