Need advice, under pressure from my boyfriend

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So when an unmarried person wants to have sex, they are using their significant other. When a husband wants to have sex, then it’s for love?
When a husband wants to have sex, it can be for love. He might also be using his spouse. The desire for sex can come from either motive. Nobody responding to this thread has said that all married sex comes from love. That question wasn’t asked.

When an unmarried person pressures a woman to have sex who has made it clear she wants to wait until marriage, when he says he will leave her without it, that’s using her. He can wait until he marries her. If he doesn’t plan to marry her, it’s time he leaves her. Nobody said his desire for sex is what makes it “using her.”

In threatening to leave, he’s telling her it’s more important for him to have sex than to be with her. I wonder how long he’d stay with her if she was ever in a position where she was unable to have sex anymore. Not that it matters; if he can’t live without sex but can live without Patsi, it’s not love.
Well you’re well in to that child-bearing age, and if he leaves it’s not always guaranteed you’ll find another guy soon, and if you do, there’s that discernment process,
Now you’re assuming that having sex guarantees he’ll marry her. You’re also assuming that this marriage is a good thing. It’s just as possible that 1) the marriage will never happen, but she’ll be missing out on a great guy while staying with this one longer, and 2) they will be unhappily married. He’s proving he can be manipulative.

He can marry her if she’s as important to him as sex is.
 
Well you’re well in to that child-bearing age, and if he leaves it’s not always guaranteed you’ll find another guy soon, and if you do, there’s that discernment process, I say go for it, and enjoy life as best you can.

So when an unmarried person wants to have sex, they are using their significant other. When a husband wants to have sex, then it’s for love?

Failed logic.

Go for it Patsi.
The term “significant other” is sort of an oxymoron here. When I want someone to provide me sex without demanding any commitment from me, it means that I view them as an insignificant other.
 
I don’t think it’s right for people to pressure others, but it’s kind of unfathomable to me that you’re 29 and don’t want to bang your boyfriend. Always stand up for yourself and make your own decisions, but you have to realize that you’re not in the majority with your ideas here, and he might think that you don’t find him attractive or don’t really want to be with him anymore.
 
The term “significant other” is sort of an oxymoron here. When I want someone to provide me sex without demanding any commitment from me, it means that I view them as an insignificant other.
This bears repeating.
 
The term “significant other” is sort of an oxymoron here. When I want someone to provide me sex without demanding any commitment from me, it means that I view them as an insignificant other.
How do you know he isn’t committed, that’s an assumption on your part, and erroneous at that. With that in mind, we can just dismiss your subsequent rant (argument) based on that assumed premise.

Come to grips with logic before attempting any quips, or you’ll find yourself quickly at the deep end of the pool.
 
If you give in to this mans demands and manipulations,I can almost guarantee that you will resent him and that action --forever. You will almost certainly also lose respect for yourself. Cut your loses–the price-tag is way too high.
betty ann
 
When a husband wants to have sex, it can be for love. He might also be using his spouse. The desire for sex can come from either motive. Nobody responding to this thread has said that all married sex comes from love. That question wasn’t asked.
But since we are in that love/marriage/sex area, it seems only right to bring it up.
When an unmarried person pressures a woman to have sex who has made it clear she wants to wait until marriage, when he says he will leave her without it, that’s using her. He can wait until he marries her. If he doesn’t plan to marry her, it’s time he leaves her. Nobody said his desire for sex is what makes it “using her.”
Don’t married men also leave their women when they repeatedly get denied from having sex? In fact I believe it’s grounds for divorce in the church, it’s the same thing actually, just a different uniform. Not difficult to pick it up, try again.
In threatening to leave, he’s telling her it’s more important for him to have sex than to be with her. I wonder how long he’d stay with her if she was ever in a position where she was unable to have sex anymore. Not that it matters; if he can’t live without sex but can live without Patsi, it’s not love.
Happens all the time in Catholic marriages too, so what’s your point?
Now you’re assuming that having sex guarantees he’ll marry her. You’re also assuming that this marriage is a good thing. It’s just as possible that 1) the marriage will never happen, but she’ll be missing out on a great guy while staying with this one longer, and 2) they will be unhappily married. He’s proving he can be manipulative.
He can marry her if she’s as important to him as sex is.
I said nothing of the sort, neither did I imply it, so I don’t know where you pulled this one out from. I never assumed any of it, if anything, the different scenarios would be different possibilities that could happen. However the whole tone of most of the responses here are that of generalized assumptions, especially in reference to this guy, see some:

“drop him like a hot potato” :rolleyes:

This is arm-chair analytics at it’s finest. Honestly, I think some of you would jump at the chance to be a counsellor without a license, because you all feel qualified for it.

I don’t deny those possibilities you put forth, but then again, I’m not worrying about it because we don’t know him. What we do know is that they are both in a relationship, she is attached to him, and he to her, him asking for sex doesn’t mean he’s perverse or using her, perhaps because he’s atheist he sees things differently, have any of you considered that point?

His understanding is different, this is where your assumptions have been running in quicker than a recruit late for a parade night.

Fail, try again.
 
Don’t married men also leave their women when they repeatedly get denied from having sex? In fact I believe it’s grounds for divorce in the church, it’s the same thing actually, just a different uniform. Not difficult to pick it up, try again.
No, it’s not grounds for divorce in the Church. Some married men might leave for that reason, and I guess that what a man means by “repeatedly” being denied could vary from person to person. That doesn’t make it right. All we are trying to say in this thread is that sex outside of marriage is wrong. Is it always right within a marriage? Not if people are being used.
 
How do you know he isn’t committed, that’s an assumption on your part, and erroneous at that. With that in mind, we can just dismiss your subsequent rant (argument) based on that assumed premise.

Come to grips with logic before attempting any quips, or you’ll find yourself quickly at the deep end of the pool.
Apparently he’s not sufficiently committed to marry her before demanding sex.

Here is what the OP said: “I don’t think it would be right to sleep with him. I’ve always thought I should wait until I get married. It’s something I just don’t want to do and definitely wouldn’t feel comfortable doing.” But he doesn’t seem to respect that, or to respect her.

But, maybe he is committed. Maybe he is willing to profess lifelong fidelity, set a date for the marriage, and buy a ring. If I were her, though, I wouldn’t be holding my breath.
 
Happens all the time in Catholic marriages too, so what’s your point?
I’m sure it might happen, but all the time? When it does happen, whether in Catholic, Protestant, atheist, or any other marriage, it’s wrong. But my point is that he’s already indicated that he won’t stay with her without sex. That would make it seem more likely that he’d leave if he couldn’t have sex. I know without a doubt that some men actually DO stay with wives who can’t have sex anymore, but will a man do that who has indicated that sex is more important than her?
 
I said nothing of the sort, neither did I imply it, so I don’t know where you pulled this one out from. I never assumed any of it, if anything, the different scenarios would be different possibilities that could happen.
I “pulled it off” from the comment I quoted when I said it.
Well you’re well in to that child-bearing age, and if he leaves it’s not always guaranteed you’ll find another guy soon, and if you do, there’s that discernment process, I say go for it, and enjoy life as best you can.
So obviously I took you wrong, mainly because the OP obviously wants marriage before sex so when you’re talking about that whole child-bearing thing, and talking about no guarantees of finding another guy soon, you were implying marriage if she has sex with him…or at least some sort of permanent relationship.
 
“drop him like a hot potato”
absolutely. I stand by that statement. A ‘man’ if you can call him that, who pressures a woman for sex knowing her moral objections to sex outside of marriage is a jerk (to put it in G rated terms) plain and simple. Just because there are men who act like jerks inside the confines of marriage re:sex with their wives doesn’t negate how much of a jerk this guy is. Two wrong don’t make a right. Has nothing to do with analysis, just common sense.
 
Well you’re well in to that child-bearing age, and if he leaves it’s not always guaranteed you’ll find another guy soon, and if you do, there’s that discernment process, I say go for it, and enjoy life as best you can.

So when an unmarried person wants to have sex, they are using their significant other. When a husband wants to have sex, then it’s for love?

Failed logic.

Go for it Patsi.
Our sister is in her child-bearing years, therefore she should have sex.

That is failed logic.
 
What we do know is that they are both in a relationship, she is attached to him, and he to her, him asking for sex doesn’t mean he’s perverse or using her, perhaps because he’s atheist he sees things differently, have any of you considered that point?

His understanding is different, this is where your assumptions have been running in quicker than a recruit late for a parade night.

Fail, try again.
Nobody said he’s perverse for asking for sex. If her post is accurate, though, she has made it quite clear to him that sex before marriage is not an option. He claims to love her but would leave her if she won’t have sex before marriage. In other words, finding a woman who will have sex with him without marriage is more important to him than she is. The OP says she can’t cope without him, but clearly he can cope without her, yet he says he loves her.

And just because as an atheist he wouldn’t view sex before marriage as wrong doesn’t mean he can’t understand her beliefs. It’s not that hard. In fact, a good friend of mine is a former atheist and was at the time of his wedding to a Catholic who wouldn’t have sex before marriage. He loved her…truly loved her. He had been sexually active before, but had no complaints about waiting, never considered leaving her.

We have not failed. We don’t have to convince you (or her, for that matter) of anything. She asked for (name removed by moderator)ut, we’re giving it. But most women who say they can’t cope without their boyfriend end up giving in. In essence, they are putting the relationship with the boyfriend before their relationship with God.
 
When someone truly loves you, they’ll want to do what’s best for you, not try to manipulate you into doing something you believe is wrong. This guy just wants sex, not you. You really CAN do without him. You lived without him for the first 28 years of your life, didn’t you?
 
Although it doesn’t take an expert to see that this relationship has a slim at best chance of surviving and ‘euthanasia’ may be the more merciful option at this point, the assertion that the man in question would spend so much time in a relationship when all he was after was sex is a clear attempt to put this is overly black and white terms- It’s clear to me he cares about the OP, but sex is a key part of the relationship to him.
 
Although it doesn’t take an expert to see that this relationship has a slim at best chance of surviving and ‘euthanasia’ may be the more merciful option at this point, the assertion that the man in question would spend so much time in a relationship when all he was after was sex is a clear attempt to put this is overly black and white terms- It’s clear to me he cares about the OP, but sex is a key part of the relationship to him.
You’ve got a point, but after 18 months he should have some understanding as to whether or not he wants to marry her. If not, then he should leave. If he does, then set a date, and wait a little longer. If he still doesn’t know, maybe it’s time to leave rather than convincing her to have sex if he’s not totally committed, knowing her feelings about it.

I can see this thread could take up a lot of my time, and since the OP is not responding, it’s time to unsubscribe.

Two last things, Patsi, if you’re reading this:

First, if he’s not willing to set a date and wait for it, you need to question why.

Second, is he really more important to you than God? I do understand the coping bit. I used to be that way in relationships, too. For the record, I have now been married for twenty years, though I also married a bit later in life. I do remember having to make those kind of choices, though, even in long-term relationships.

You’ll be in my prayers.
 
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