Need Guidance in the Diocese of St. Augustine, FL

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SemperFidelis said:
You’d be surprised. One of my professors heads to Rome all the time to do research at the Vatican Library, and he’s assured me the SSPX is more “established” at the Vatican than most people would care to believe. Other than that, I do not care to get in thread number 3,548,723 arguing about whether good Catholics can go to SSPX Masses. I’ve read much on the subject, and my answer is a very common answer, (yes) and I’ll leave it at that.
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I believe my comment had something to do with documents put out by the Holy See. So, yes, I would be suprised if there was one I hadn’t seen saying that there were absolutely no schismatic SSPX priests. Again, the Vatican has steered clear of the topic in the documents they’ve put out save for the one I gave.

As for what I care to believe. I care to believe that the SSPX is in fine standing with Rome, that excommunications have been lifted, etc. Of course, that doesn’t make it true. I’m not sure what your friend means by established. I doubt it means the above.
 
SemperFidelis said:
You don’t have to read too much into it, it does.
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Really? I must have missed the document on that one. It seems quite silly and very dangerous to run around saying that there are no issues of schism with the priests of the SSPX when the Vatican has said that there probably are and no documents have come out to the contrary. The only thing we can know for sure is that the priests were not originally excommunicated with the original excommunications.
 
bear06 said:
Really? I must have missed the document on that one. It seems quite silly and very dangerous to run around saying that there are no issues of schism with the priests of the SSPX when the Vatican has said that there probably are and no documents have come out to the contrary. The only thing we can know for sure is that the priests were not originally excommunicated with the original excommunications.
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Ah yes, because we all know the SSPX is in schism…
 
SemperFidelis said:
When you have contradicting reports from the hierarchy on this one, you just have to use your best judgement.
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Where are the contradicting documents? THIS IS WHY WE DON’T RELY ON QUOTES FROM MAGAZINE ARTICLES!!! You want really bad to raise magazine quotes to the same status as official letters from the Vatican. Sorry.
 
bear06 said:
Where are the contradicting documents? THIS IS WHY WE DON’T RELY ON QUOTES FROM MAGAZINE ARTICLES!!! You want really bad to raise magazine quotes to the same status as official letters from the Vatican. Sorry.
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I guess Cardinal Hoyos is a nobody…
 
EddieArent said:
The true rogue parishes are the ones here in Florida lead by heretics. The sad situation is that most of these priests (in my experiance) don’t know who exactly is that they are (or who they are supposed to be) and that is a Catholic priest and not “presiders” of liturgy that insist that the congregation doesn’t assist at a priest’s Mass, but offer the Mass with him as well — thus the Sacrificial, ordained priesthood is reduced to simply a “presider of the assembly.”
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Looks like over there in Florida --you have some Neocatechumenal Way “priests” like the one below . It does not surprise me—since they are spreading all over…

ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?Pgnu=3&Pg=Forum6&recnu=72&number=504371

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Question from Matt on 5/25/2007:

The priest at our parish just explained that if we truly have faith that we as lay people can change the host at Mass into the blessed sacrament. I never realized this before. Why do priests need to be ordained then as I’m sure our priest have faith? Can you expalin this to me?
 
Walking_Home said:
Looks like over there in Florida --you have some Neocatechumenal Way “priests” like the one below . It does not surprise me—since they are spreading all over…

ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?Pgnu=3&Pg=Forum6&recnu=72&number=504371

Consecrated Host
Question from Matt on 5/25/2007:

The priest at our parish just explained that if we truly have faith that we as lay people can change the host at Mass into the blessed sacrament. I never realized this before. Why do priests need to be ordained then as I’m sure our priest have faith? Can you expalin this to me?
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Most definitely. If you find a priest associated with the Neocatechumenal Way, run away, and run away fast!
 
SemperFidelis said:
I guess Cardinal Hoyos is a nobody…
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Oh brother. Enough with the red-herrings. Again, the plain and simple fact is that there are no documents from the Vatican that say there is no schism in any SSPX priests. There is a document saying that there probably is after all of this time. This fact was ignored by some and now is being downplayed by quotes in magazine articles. Hello Magazine articles don’t trump documents issued by the Vatican. Hopefully one will be released soon saying that they’re definitively not in schism. Until that happens, all we have is the document that says they probably are. BTW, if you’ll notice, Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos has ceased from making that comment and it has never been backed up by a document from his office.
 
I feel your pain. I am a student at the University of Florida in Gainesville. Gainesville is home to some of the funniest Catholic parishes… There’s a story that some people all the way in Canada had told a friend of mine how sorry they were to find out they were from Gainesville, Florida. Anyways, we had a really good assistant priest at St. Augustine’s, Father Jan Ligeza. He is now at St. Paul’s in Jacksonville, along the river. You might want to check him out if you haven’t already!
 
SemperFidelis said:
I would give anything to have a weekly TLM only 45 minutes away. I would go there if I were you. Sitting through a banal and irreverant NO week after week starts to take its toll. With the TLM, you know what you’re getting. Go with it, it’s only 45 minutes away. Or go to the SSPX chapel if it’s closer. There’s nothing wrong with going there.
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The EF suggestion is fine. The SSPX is not so fine. The Holy Father has made it quite clear that Catholics are not to support the SSPX, even by attending mass at their chapels.

Why would you send someone someplace that Rome has already said we cannot go? Cardinal Hoyos just repeated the Holy Father’s words while he was in Lincoln, Nebraska a few weeks ago. He said that the Holy Father if feeling that the SSPX are leaning more and more toward heressy and can be excommunicated if they do not cease trying to teach the Pope.

I would not send someone to mass with a group that is in a very precarous relationship with Christ’s church.

The EF is a good option. Also, if you can find a religious house such as a monastery or friary, they usually have very beautiful liturgies in the EF or the OF and are in full communion with the Holy See.

JR 🙂
 
Walking_Home said:
Looks like over there in Florida --you have some Neocatechumenal Way “priests” like the one below . It does not surprise me—since they are spreading all over…

ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?Pgnu=3&Pg=Forum6&recnu=72&number=504371

Consecrated Host
Question from Matt on 5/25/2007:

The priest at our parish just explained that if we truly have faith that we as lay people can change the host at Mass into the blessed sacrament. I never realized this before. Why do priests need to be ordained then as I’m sure our priest have faith? Can you expalin this to me?
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That is the most ludicrous thing anyone can say. Where did you find this guy? That is absolutely false. Only a validly ordained priest can consecrate.

JR 🙂
 
Walking_Home said:
Looks like over there in Florida --you have some Neocatechumenal Way “priests” like the one below . It does not surprise me—since they are spreading all over…

ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?Pgnu=3&Pg=Forum6&recnu=72&number=504371

Consecrated Host
Question from Matt on 5/25/2007:

The priest at our parish just explained that if we truly have faith that we as lay people can change the host at Mass into the blessed sacrament. I never realized this before. Why do priests need to be ordained then as I’m sure our priest have faith? Can you expalin this to me?
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That is the most ludicrous thing anyone can say. Where did you find this guy? That is absolutely false. Only a validly ordained priest can consecrate.

JR 🙂
 
rich1lenore said:
I’m sorry if this is the wrong forum to ask this question, but my family and I are desperate. At least it feels that way every time we leave Mass on Sunday. We moved to the Diocese of St. Augustine, FL 3 years ago, from the very conservative Diocese of Arlington, VA. I won’t go into the details, but these are the most Protestant Catholic Churches I’ve ever attended (tried 4 so far), and nothing like the very reverent NO masses we always attended in VA.

I was hoping that anyone familiar with this Diocese could point me towards a more traditional Parish with a reverent NO Mass. I know of only one TLM in the entire Diocese (about 45 minutes away), but really that’s not what I’m looking for, and would be my last resort before leaving the Diocese all together to attend an SSPX Mass closer to home (yes, we are that desperate).

Thank you for any help!
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If I were you, I’d find the nearest traditional Church, and write the priest a letter or email explaining my situation, and see what his thoughts are on attending at the SSPX chapel. Priests, bishops, and even cardinals have granted people permission. The issue is far from settled. The mood is very confusing right now. Ironically, you could probably go to a protestant service and be chastised less by some people than if you attended an SSPX chapel. I’ve never been to an SSPX Mass though. I don’t really know what they are like.

You should write the FSSP near you and ask them what they think about it. They might have a clearer interpretation of whether or not it is permitted. If they say no, though, don’t go.

Also, JR’s advice about the Monastery idea is really good.
 
All my florida buddies are comin out here.

I too am from Orange Park, as another poster said, so I dont know too much about prarishes over in St. Johns, but you can you the diocese website dosafl.com to find parishes close to you, and most have websites of their own, where you can see what they are like, if they are a good parish or not.

Sadly the favorite Priest at my parish just got moved, but there isnt anything wrong with the other either…

OP, could you PM me with what Church is closest to you, or what city you are in, and i could look more into what a good parish might be? I do know some Priests currently over in St. Johns, but I dont know how close they would be
 
Yes, Cardinal Hoyos comes here to America and scolds the SSPX a bit, doesn’t say there is a schism however. But there is corruption, immorality and heresy rampent in all the dioceses in America, including those here in Florida. Yet, he is silent. When asked if the plans are to make the “extraordinary form” more like the Novus Ordo, he once again is silent. I’d rather support the Society than to give my support to a bishop in the Florida area who does not work for the reign of Christ the King, but for indiffrentism.
 
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