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bkovacs
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Like it’s been said before one step forward and two steps back!!.
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Dale_M
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I don’t understand what you mean. Could you explain it for persons such as myself who are unfamiliar with the Neocatechumenal Way?
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Walking_Home
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The wolves in sheep clothing — will embroil the Church in error—comparable or worse than the Arian heresy.
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cyberwolf001
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Like it’s been said before one step forward and two steps back!!.
So does anyone have any criticisms of substance to bring to the table or is it all little sound bytes?
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Indyann
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I only know of what I have read of “The Way”. There were some legitimate criticisms in the past, but it looks like they have been resolved.
I think it is just the mindset that if it is post VII, it must be “bad”.
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Walking_Home
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Do a main search for Neocatechumenal. There are threads scattered in different forums. Catholic they are Not.
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Walking_Home
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I only know of what I have read of “The Way”. There were some legitimate criticisms in the past, but it looks like they have been resolved.
I think it is just the mindset that if it is post VII, it must be “bad”.
Instead of rolling your eyes — it may be better for you to become informed as to what is going on. On Dec. 1 2005, Pope Benedict via the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments to the founders of the Neocatechumenal Way. This letter addressed the abuses in the Neocatechumenal Mass. Note item No. 5. They were directed to stop their form of offering communion and adopted the Church’s form.
Instead Arguello has flipped the directives back at the Pope’s face and basicly told the Pope how he —Arguello is going to submit his followers to offer communion. Communion is still going to be taken to where Arguellos followers are sitted — instead of the congregation go up to receive like the rest of the Latin rite.
chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/44140?eng=y
Congregatio de Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum
Prot. 2520/03/L
From Vatican City, December 1, 2005
To the esteemed Mr. Kiko Argüello, Ms. Carmen Hernandez, and Rev. Father Mario Pezzi,
Following the conversations with this Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments on the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharist in the communities of the Neocatechumenal Way, in keeping with the guidelines issued in the meeting with you on November 11 of this year, I am to inform you of the Holy Father’s decisions.
- On the manner of receiving Holy Communion, a period of transition (not exceeding two years) is granted to the Neocatechumenal Way to pass from the widespread manner of receiving Holy Communion in its communities (seated, with a cloth-covered table placed at the center of the church instead of the dedicated altar in the sanctuary) **to the normal way in which the entire Church receives Holy Communion. This means that the Neocatechumenal Way must begin to adopt the manner of distributing the Body and Blood of Christ that is provided in the liturgical books. **
According to Arguello, the only significant change that the definitive statues introduced in regard to the liturgy affects the way of receiving Communion.
In keeping with the communities’ usual practice, Communion will continue to be received under both species and will be distributed by ministers in the assembly, instead of the procession of the faithful typical in the Roman rite.
This practice is kept in the definitive statutes, but for the reception of the Host, the faithful will stand before the minister. This is not the case in receiving the Chalice, which will continue to be received seated, to avoid spilling the precious Blood.
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Elzee
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I am very ignorant of the Neocatechumenal Way - this sounds like a “different” way to say Mass - a different rite??? Is this correct? To be honest, based on the little reading I’ve done, it doesn’t sound like a style Pope Benedict would embrace and approve …what am I missing?
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Indyann
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I am informed. I am the one who posted the original link, which you REPOSTED.
I have read both the pros and cons, and now that they are approved, you either accept their “movement”, or you don’t.
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Dale_M
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You may be right. In checking the posting history of the folks who have made vague condemnation of the Neocatechumenal Way, they tend to post a lot in the Traditional Catholicism forum. Perhaps this is an issue for that community.I only know of what I have read of “The Way”. There were some legitimate criticisms in the past, but it looks like they have been resolved.
I think it is just the mindset that if it is post VII, it must be “bad”.
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E.E.N.S
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Let’s see if they actually follow these guidelines, (which would mean that they would need to change their way of distributing Holy Communion.)
edit: Interestingly enough, the article states that they will not fully change their practice of distribution. I don’t understand how this got approved, but I guess time will tell.
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Walking_Home
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I am informed. **I am the one who posted the original link, which you REPOSTED.
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I have read both the pros and cons, and now that they are approved, you either accept their “movement”, or you don’t.
You may have posted the link —but this does not make you informed -----and neither does rolling your eyes.
By the way —stating they are not Catholic sound like I accept the movement.
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Indyann
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It sounds more like you are stating that YOU are not Catholic!
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Walking_Home
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In the mind of a Neocatechumenal and their enablers.
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Walking_Home
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I don’t either----and I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Arguello and his followers to comply with Rome.
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cyberwolf001
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Which I guess includes the Vatican and the Pontifical Council for the Laity judgeing from the article…
What was that about submitting to Rome again?
Or is it only for the stuff you LIKE and AGREE with?
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OutinChgoburbs
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1.) NOBODY has to join up with Neocatechumenical Way. It is merely “legal” to do so, with the reservations the Vatican has mentioned.
2.) If the bunch doesn’t obey, then let the Vatican worry abou them. The organization has had the Church “come down” on it in the past.
2.) If the bunch doesn’t obey, then let the Vatican worry abou them. The organization has had the Church “come down” on it in the past.
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Walking_Home
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I don’t believe you will find where Rome has stated that I am to be excommunicated for not accepting them or that I am not Catholic for not accepting them. The Neocatechumenal Way is not doctrine/ or a teaching that I owe my submission to —so my non acceptance of a movement which follows Arguello’s non Catholic “theology” and is totally submissive to him —to where he has become their “pope” — does not mean I am not submitting to Rome.
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cyberwolf001
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Okay right now tell me WHERE did I say you should or would be excommunicated. Right now, no weaseling, no side stepping, no word play.
DIRECTLY and in a straight forward manner tell me where I said you should be excommunicated.
I nearly pointed out your attacking a group as Non-Catholic and calling those that support them enablers. Which would include Rome.
An to me it is interesting how Catholics seem to be all about absolute obedience to Rome…
Until Rome supports something they don’t like. Then the excuses fly.
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