Totally agree with you here, I have been in the Way for 7 years and I find very controversial things there… I can deny, that there is some good stuff and moreover good people there, but I prefer to be on a safe ground and would recommend it to anyone reading this as well.
Its not hidden, you just need to work for it. If there is an unpublished book that you want to get ahold of, where do you begin to look? The publisher who is retaining it. The books are not yet published as such they are in the appropriate office.
Ho, ho - of course its hidden. The books are published, they are just kept from the public. I’d be in trouble if the catequists found out, but PM me if you desperately want a copy of the first volume.
You are accusing the Pontifical Council for the Laity with having “uncatholic” practices.
zenit.org/en/articles/church-gives-final-ok-to-neocatechumenate
That is not the charge. Moabiter stated “***this whole sequential initiation pattern ***reminds me of Gnostics, Freemasons, Scientology and such”
That is not polite and I don’t appreciate it. A lie would imply that I stated something which I knew to be not true. Next time you might want to say that I am mistaken, please. The article you linked claims something I was never made aware of. Could the article be mistaken?
Again, I find your statement rather offensive. I would appreciate if you refrained from such and tried to keep this conversation more polite. Thank you.
So, in this zenit article by Jesus Colina, Argüello allegedly “revealed” certain things on a press conference, among others that the “texts of the Way’s catechesis” are being studied so that they can be distributed to parishes worldwide.
I haven’t been able to read thru this completely, but a quick search for “Orientations for the team of Catechists” brought up this PDF…? would it help?
Those look like the statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way that were passed… As far as I’m aware!
The document you linked is a MS Word (.doc) format version of the Statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way. Since it is a text processor file, it could be inaccurate. The PDF format file which you can find on the official site of the NCW is probably more reliable. The Statutes basically describe what the NCW is in terms of ecclesiastical law. Since they were approved by a decree, it is a binding document. However, it is not the text of the Catechetical Directory of the NCW, nor has it any indication whether the Directory was intended for distribution or not. As it is a 2008 document, it still speaks abut Orientations for Teams of Catechists and not Directory which name was given it by the Holy See upon its approval only in 2010.
Correct me if I’m wrong, PeterCampbell, but I was under the impression that the NCW claimed to be an “itinerary” rather than an “approved ecclesial community”?
Well to be honest, The NCW is an itinerary in some sense, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be considered an EC since the term ecclesial community “… is merely to distinguish between groups that have maintained historic ties to the original apostles through apostolic succession and those that have not”
The NCW clearly claims to be an itinerary rather than a “movement” or “ecclesial community”. You need only read the Statutes. The NCW claims to be a method at the service of the Bishop to initiate the unbaptised (and the lapsed) back into the life of the Church. As such it should not be distinguished from the local church more generally, and it would be inconsistent to call it both an “itinerary” and a “group” (except in a purely descriptive sense, such as you might say the RCIA “group”).
Don’t you think protestants too would claim to experience the help and love of Christ through their own religious group’s observation and practise? Of course, but that doesn’t make them Catholic.
I agree with most of what you wrote. However, remember that beside the NCW, more importantly, it is the Holy See that claims that it is an itinerary (you need only to read the decree that approves the statutes)! And neither the NCW nor the Holy See claims that it is a method. That wouldn’t be the right word. It is an itinerary of Christian initiation. You wouldn’t call the RCIA a method, would you? It is the catechumenate, a precious treasure of the Church.
Well, in the sense that I was using the word “method”, yes. Clearly, I used the term as a synonym with “way” and “itinerary”. A method is a process, surely? A “way” of doing? A course of conduct?
I guess not!
Thanks for sharing! Interesting to know
