Neocon Catholic leaders nurtured by GOP and Conservative Philanthropy on their heels

[estesbob]

I don’t know. Aquinas saw it as the point where the homosapiens had an intellectual soul. I don’t think he left a count.

Aquinas did not accept abortion at any stage of development.He was engaged in a purely philisophical discussion on when the child was ensouled.

I started of as two cells. One was an egg. the other was a sperm. And then - Voila! - there was one cell. Given the continuity of life, we can look at an unbroken chain going very, very far back. I suppose we could say we are all the product of the trillions and trillions of cells of each of our ancestors, going all the way back to that little wriggler in the primordial ooze.

So how many cells does a human being have to have before you dont think its ok to kill them?

 

[brigid12]

Many people disagree with you on both these points. Opposition to government regulation can be anti-environment, if said regulation is the best way to protect the environment. Opposition to government programs can be “anti-poor” if it leaves the poor without recourse.

Edwin

:clapping:

I used to be for very minimal/only bare essentials type of government aid (essentially, because I was cheap/greedy). That changed when I was the “aidee”. Now, I know from personal experience that if I had not been living in a state that gave a great amount of aid after my medical crisis, I would have been living on the street and getting no follow-up medical care. Now, the life issue is another that hit me numerous times and changed my prior stance, so our liberal party is not one I’ll touch either.

I get very confused about supporting the war (but no confusion as regards supporting our troops!). Killing when we don’t see any progress towards what we believe God wants seems terribly sad, wrong and wasteful. I’ve also been married to a man who saw action in the military, and so know how little of what is reported is accurate. I don’t think, bearing this all in mind, that I can say whether we should be in this war or stay in it since we “broke” things there, or whether we should just get out now - I just have no idea!

Mod note: Edited out refernce to political candidate to comply with forum rules.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

We didn’t ‘break’ things in Iraw—we rightfully removed a brutal murdering dictator who flouted every law and invaded other sovereign countries and who sponsored terrorism in his midst.

Do you not believe the Iraqis have a right to freedom? I was moved to tears when I saw those brave people voting for the first time against threats of death by the thugs who still permeate this country.

And some of you (probably not you personally) want to stay home in a snit and not vote because no candidate is perfect?

 

[mark_a]

Both the winner-take-all and the provision for two senators form each state serve a very important function: they reduce the probability that sections of the nation will secede. History shows us that regions chafe under rule from afar, and that’s the situation various regions would encounter under a strict one-man-one-vote system.

The power of states that is disproportionate to its population lends additional standing to regions that would be most likely to go their own way. For example, Alaska could swing a presidential election under the present system, but would not have near the power under a strict one-man-one-vote system.

Good points.

Or it could be as Rush Limbaugh says (not that I’m a fan): the current system is designed to keep the idiotic general public form being able to directly elect one of their own.

 

[RowBoat]

Sailor, Estes:

I don’t mean to be rude by not responding to your direct questions, but the moderator asked that we drop this exchange, So I will comply. I’ll be happy to engage when a thread comes around with a direct bearing on our exchange.

 

[RowBoat]

Good points.

Or it could be as Rush Limbaugh says (not that I’m a fan): the current system is designed to keep the idiotic general public form being able to directly elect one of their own.

Limbaugh has a good point. One of the primary reasons the Founders established the Electoral College was to keep the population from electing a run-away populist. They wanted saner heads to prevail.

 

[RowBoat]

We didn’t ‘break’ things in Iraw—we rightfully removed a brutal murdering dictator who flouted every law and invaded other sovereign countries and who sponsored terrorism in his midst.

Do you not believe the Iraqis have a right to freedom? I was moved to tears when I saw those brave people voting for the first time against threats of death by the thugs who still permeate this country.

And some of you (probably not you personally) want to stay home in a snit and not vote because no candidate is perfect?

I’m not sure we want to encourage such people to vote. I suppose a die-hard partisan would take any vote he can get, but I’d prefer if the people who get into these types snits really do stay home.

 

[tomarin]

No, they’re just anti-war when it’s America prosecuting the war.

I bet that WW I and II seemed ‘endless’ to some. This war in Iraq could have been ended in a WEEK if we brought the full might of our armed forces to bear.

It’s because we’re pussyfooting around trying to avoid collateral damage that it’s gone on for a couple of years. Sometimes it’s cruel to be kind.

may i remind you that “collateral damage” is human life too.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Never said it wasn’t.

In war casualties are inevitable. Is it better for the war to last years and cause even more collateral damage, or end it as quickly as we are able, with possibly less loss of civilian life—AND the lives of our troops.

Don’t forget it was Saddam who murdered thousands of his own people and harbored terrorists.

 

[Holly3278]

All I know is that I refuse to vote for anyone who is pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage or pro-euthanasia. I will follow the guidelines as they are in that booklet produced by Catholic Answers Action.

 

[tomarin]

All I know is that I refuse to vote for anyone who is pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage or pro-euthanasia. I will follow the guidelines as they are in that booklet produced by Catholic Answers Action.

amen, holly. our consciences require nothing less.

 

[vern_humphrey]

may i remind you that “collateral damage” is human life too.

And you feel it necessary to remind us because you believe you are the only one who has been to war and seen it?