Nervous about receiving on the tongue

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The rubrics state you may receive the Blessed Sacrament in the hand or on the tongue. It is your choice. They also say we are to receive the Blessed Sacrament standing. They also state that a reverential bow should be given before the Blessed Sacrament, (not to the back of the person in front of you). Traditionally the bow came long before genuflection…

I personally do not believe that receiving the consecrated host in the hand led to the decline of orthodoxy in the church.
What led us to these problems was a failure to understand (some times intentionally), the changes of Vatican II.

We were leaderless for about 30 years and this is the result. But we are also to blame because we allowed it to happen unchecked.

Read the documents from Vatican II. They are not difficult to understand. As a matter of education read all the documents that deal with the mass.

Do not wait for someone to read them and explain them to you…thats how we got into this mess to being with…

God Bless you all,
Papa;)
 
Walking_Home said:
What world you ask—the same world our late Pope speaks about.
I provided the following for you before—you may have missed it so I bring it here again. Although our late Pope did not use the word “potato chip”—it fits the profile of a “deplorable lack of respect toward the Eucharistic species”. Though many receive in the hand reverently --our late Pope brings to light the other side of communion in the hand.

vatican.va/holy_father/jo…-cenae_en.html

LETTER DOMINICAE CENAE OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
JOHN PAUL II TO ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH
ON THE MYSTERY AND WORSHIP OF THE EUCHARIST

In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced. This practice has been requested by individual episcopal conferences and has received approval from the Apostolic See. However, cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist. It also happens, on occasion, that the free choice of those who prefer to continue the practice of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue is not taken into account in those places where the distribution of Communion in the hand has been authorized. It is therefore difficult in the context of this present letter not to mention the sad phenomena previously referred to.
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** oh goody, i love playing this game…since we’re highlighting and cutting the parts we like… lets look at the part you choose conveniently to cut out…
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"In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced. This practice has been requested by individual episcopal conferences and has received approval from the Apostolic See.* However, cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the Eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist. It also happens, on occasion, that the free choice of those who prefer to continue the practice of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue is not taken into account in those places where the distribution of Communion in the hand has been authorized. It is therefore difficult in the context of this present letter not to mention the sad phenomena previously referred to. This is in no way meant to refer to those who, receiving the Lord Jesus in the hand, do so with profound reverence and devotion, in those countries where this practice has been authorized"*

-Pope John Paul II, Dominicae Cenae, On The Mystery And Worship Of The Eucharist

lets not be selective and use Church documents as WE see fit. lets bend ourselves to the Church, not the Church to ourselves. i know this is the hallmark of a traditionalist, but what it really accomplishes… makes you look like a fool when you’re called out on it…

what you did by ommitting that last part of his letter was to take it out of context. that is a sin unto itself, creating scandal and causing dissention among the faithful.
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thechrismyster said:
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Originally Posted by Walking_Home
What world you ask—the same world our late Pope speaks about.
I provided the following for you before—you may have missed it so I bring it here again. Although our late Pope did not use the word “potato chip”—it fits the profile of a “deplorable lack of respect toward the Eucharistic species”. Though many receive in the hand reverently **–our late Pope brings to light the other side of communion in the hand.
vatican.va/holy_father/jo…-cenae_en.html

LETTER DOMINICAE CENAE OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
JOHN PAUL II TO ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH
ON THE MYSTERY AND WORSHIP OF THE EUCHARIST

In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced. This practice has been requested by individual episcopal conferences and has received approval from the Apostolic See. However, cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist. It also happens, on occasion, that the free choice of those who prefer to continue the practice of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue is not taken into account in those places where the distribution of Communion in the hand has been authorized. It is therefore difficult in the context of this present letter not to mention the sad phenomena previously referred to.

oh goody, i love playing this game…since we’re highlighting and cutting the parts we like… lets look at the part you choose conveniently to cut out…

"In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced. This practice has been requested by individual episcopal conferences and has received approval from the Apostolic See.* However, cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the Eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist. It also happens, on occasion, that the free choice of those who prefer to continue the practice of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue is not taken into account in those places where the distribution of Communion in the hand has been authorized. It is therefore difficult in the context of this present letter not to mention the sad phenomena previously referred to. This is in no way meant to refer to those who, receiving the Lord Jesus in the hand, do so with profound reverence and devotion, in those countries where this practice has been authorized"*

-Pope John Paul II, Dominicae Cenae**, On The Mystery And Worship Of The Eucharist

lets not be selective and use Church documents as WE see fit. lets bend ourselves to the Church, not the Church to ourselves. i know this is the hallmark of a traditionalist, but what it really accomplishes… makes you look like a fool when you’re called out on it…

what you did by ommitting that last part of his letter was to take it out of context. that is a sin unto itself, creating scandal and causing dissention among the faithful.
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You must be playing a game with yourself. Look again at my post. I did not leave it out – I included the part about receiving reverently within my post. The section I quoted was to show that there was another side (a dark one) to receiving in the hand. The only scandal I see–is you accusing me of sin.
 
Walking_Home said:
You must be playing a game with yourself. Look again at my post. I did not leave it out – I included the part about receiving reverently within my post. The section I quoted was to show that there was another side (a dark one) to receiving in the hand. The only scandal I see–is you accusing me of sin.
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you left the whole bottom section out… its the qualifier… its the end zone runner… its the grand slam! PULLLLEASE, you just cant pick and choose the parts you like. you conveniently stopped short of adding the highlighted part in. if you did, and i missed it, i wholeheartedly apologize… but i ain’t seeing it there!
 
thechrismyster said:
you left the whole bottom section out… its the qualifier… its the end zone runner… its the grand slam! PULLLLEASE, you just cant pick and choose the parts you like. you conveniently stopped short of adding the highlighted part in. if you did, and i missed it, i wholeheartedly apologize… but i ain’t seeing it there!
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I acknowledged in my post --that communion in the hand can be done reverently—so you are just blowing smoke.
 
I never considered the decline in the belief of the real presence in the Eucharist in the reception of it in one’s hands. But for the last several months I have been receiving the host on my tongue. I also try to go to a priest. I look directly at the priest and the body, blood, soul and divinety of our Lord. I say amen as the priest proclaims: “Ecce Corpus Domini Nostri Jesus Christ”
Behold the Body of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Alan
 
Dauphin said:
I’ve recently been convinced that reception of Communion on the hand is an unacceptable method. I recognize that it’s really an abuse which has contributed in a dramatic way to the decline in belief in the real presence, and I can no longer do it in good conscience.

It may seem a bit silly to some people, but I’m a bit nervous about receiving the Eucharist on the tongue. I’m not sure exactly how to approach the priest, or whether/how far to stick out my tongue, or where to focus my gaze, or whether/when I should bow my head (kneeling being unwelcome). I’m also worried about the Body of Christ falling to the ground, since a paten isn’t used to catch it just in case. Does anyone have any tips for me? Am I worrying too much about something that’s very simple?
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Did the Early Church exercise the “Tongue Only” thing?

A person like one of the Apostles entered into a specific home where a loaf of bread and a flask of wine was blessed. The bread was then broken and passed around on a table that was used for everyday meals… There was not any fuss about a crumb falling on the floor or a drop of wine being spilt. Somewhere along the way, we lost our original traditions and adopted pompousness new ones…

P.S. I personally take communion via the tongue.
 
I trust the teachings of the Church and the Pope because they have been considering questions like this one for a very long time. His priest puts Him in my hand, I say amen, and put Him in my mouth. He is there for me and when I don’t waste time and endless mental energy in speculation and worry about things “too great for me,” I am really there with Him. My tongue can praise Him or curse you. It is no better or worse than my hand that can harm or heal. He is there and when I am with Him, it is good.
 
Today a great spiritual battle is raging between good and evil, between God’s holy angels and satan’s fallen angels. Yes we are under attack and at stake is our immortal soul. For the battle has drawn within the walls of our church and the doctrine of our faith.
A satanic inversion of our true teachings is happening before our very eyes. The truth has become a lie and a lie the truth. Disunity among so many Catholics:

Over 70% of Catholics in North America don’t even go to mass. The prince of lies has convinced an almost equal percentage that it is not a sin to take the life of an unborn child from its mother. Half of us Catholics do not believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. A higher percentage of Lutherans believe in the real presence than us Catholics. Satan is having a field day with us as he whispers in our ears: “Don’t worry, you haven’t sinned, follow your conscience, you haven’t committed any sins”. We buy into his lies and we stop going to confession.

Satan has indeed struck our church and he has scattered the flock. He was a murderer from the beginning and he has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

There is one answer and His name is Jesus. He who cannot deceive nor be deceived. We must pray to Jesus for our Holy Father, for our priests and for each other. If we pray the Rosary
every day our Blessed Mother will lead all of us back to her Son Jesus, who is the way, the truth and the life.

We need only to look to the cross, for there we will see Jesus’ unconditional love.

We only have this brief moment in time here on earth and it will determine where we will spend eternity. We must live our lives in accordance with the true teachings of our Catholic and apostolisc faith. For with every beat of our heart we draw closer and closer to that moment when time gives way to eternity . We will stand before Jesus, and it is our hope that we will experience the infinite ocean of His mercy and His love, as we hear his joyous words: " Well done my good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of your master’s house"

Alan
 
JoeyWarren said:
Did the Early Church exercise the “Tongue Only” thing?

A person like one of the Apostles entered into a specific home where a loaf of bread and a flask of wine was blessed. The bread was then broken and passed around on a table that was used for everyday meals… There was not any fuss about a crumb falling on the floor or a drop of wine being spilt. Somewhere along the way, we lost our original traditions and adopted pompousness new ones…

P.S. I personally take communion via the tongue.
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It is also true that the knowledge about Transubstantiation was still in its infancy in those days as well. People also brought some home for weekly consumption wrapped in a white cloth so mice wouldn’t eat it.:eek: Still truer is the fact that we really don’t know exactly how the early Christians felt about the Eucharist except that they started to attribute superstitions and mystical magic powers to it.at a very early date. It was those abuses and many others that led the Church to the practice of receiving on the tongue. To re-enforce the sense of awe and grandeur of the moment and put an end to the private exhibitions of the Host in private home and carnivals, to stop the selling of the Host as a good luck charm or use it to ward off sickness or bring back a wayward lover among other horrific acts of sacrilige.
 
JoeyWarren said:
Did the Early Church exercise the “Tongue Only” thing?

A person like one of the Apostles entered into a specific home where a loaf of bread and a flask of wine was blessed. The bread was then broken and passed around on a table that was used for everyday meals… There was not any fuss about a crumb falling on the floor or a drop of wine being spilt. Somewhere along the way, we lost our original traditions and adopted pompousness new ones…

P.S. I personally take communion via the tongue.
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To my knowledge, one of the reasons wafer-type bread became the favoured bread for consecration was that there was less danger of losing crumbs. If it was a tradition of the early Church not to fuss over Christ’s Body falling to the floor, or His precious Blood being spilled, then it is a tradition I am happy we have left behind (personally I cannot imagine that the defilement of the Body of Christ would have been tolerated by the early Church, let alone for it to become a tradition). Whether it be a crumb or the whole host, a drop of the Precious Blood or the whole Chalice, the whole Body of Christ is present, and it must be treated as such with great wonder and humility - this is not a ‘pompous’ new tradition as you call it, JoeyWarren. A more accurate way of putting it was that growing reverence for the Eucharist over the centuries helped ensure that fuss WAS made over Christ falling to the floor - it was most certainly not for a show of pomposity.
 
"Approaching therefore, do not come forward with the palms of the hands outstretched nor with the fingers apart, but making the left [hand] a throne for the right since this hand is about to receive the King. Making the palm hollow, receive the Body of Christ, adding ‘Amen’. Then. carefully sanctifying the eyes by touching them with the holy Body, partake of it, ensuring that you do not mislay any of it. For if you mislay any, you would clearly suffer a loss, as it were, from one of your own limbs. Tell me, if anyone gave you gold-dust, would you not take hold of it with every possible care, ensuring that you do not mislay any of it or sustain any loss? So will you not be much more cautious to ensure that not a crumb falls away from that which is more precious than gold or precious stones?
Code: 
 "Then, after you have partaken of the Body of Christ, come forward only for the cup of the Blood. Do not stretch out your hands but bow low as if making an act of obeisance and a profound act of veneration. Say 'Amen'. and sanctify yourself by partaking of Christ's Blood also. While the moisture is still on your lips, touch them with your hands and sanctify your eyes, your forehead, and all your other sensory organs. Finally, wait for the prayer and give thanks to God, who has deemed you worthy of such mysteries."
-Saint Cyril of Jerusalem
4th Century Father and Doctor of the Church
 
Daprato said:
Sadly, you are wrong about receiving-in-hand being an “unacceptable method” to receive communion (where it is permitted at least) and it’s outlandish to think the Holy See would permit anything that could dramatically lead to the decline in belief in the Real Presence.
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I believe it was in Salt of the Earth the interview with pope a few years ago that he said the degredation of the Liturgy is the main cause of the problems in the Church. All of which was permitted by the Holy See. Also read the book Spirit and the Liturgy and see what the Pope thinks about the abuses which occur in the new Mass which were permitted by the Holy See and contrary to the documents of Vatican II.

For communion in the hand I took this off

traditio.com/tradlib/faq10.txt

The Church has condemned communion in the hand from the early
centuries on:
Code: 
    ST. SIXTUS I (115-125).  Prohibited the faithful from even
touching the Sacred Vessels: “Statutum est ut sacra vasa non ab aliis
quam a sacratis Dominoque dicatis contrectentur hominibus…” [It has
been decreed that the Sacred Vessels are not to be handled by others
than by those consecrated and dedicated to the Lord.]
Code: 
    POPE ST. EUTYCHIAN (275-283).  Forbade the faithful from taking the
Sacred Host in their hand.
Code: 
    ST. BASIL THE GREAT, DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH (330-379).  "The right
to receive Holy Communion in the hand is permitted only in time of
persecution." St. Basil considered Communion in the hand so irregular
that he did not hesitate to consider it a grave fault.
Code: 
    COUNCIL OF SARAGOSSA (380).  It was decided to punish with
EXCOMMUNICATION anyone who dared to continue the practice of Holy
Communion in the hand. The Synod of Toledo confirmed this decree.
Code: 
    POPE ST. LEO I THE GREAT (440-461).  Energetically defended and
required faithful obedience to the practice of administering Holy
Communion on the tongue of the faithful.
Code: 
    SYNOD OF ROUEN (650).  Condemned Communion in the hand to halt
widespread abuses that occurred from this practice, and as a safeguard
against sacrilege.
Code: 
    SIXTH ECUMENICAL COUNCIL, AT CONSTANTINOPLE (680-681).  Forbade the
faithful to take the Sacred Host in their hand, threatening the
transgressors with excommunication.
Code: 
    ST. THOMAS AQUINAS (1225-1274).  "Out of reverence towards this
sacrament [the Holy Eucharist], nothing touches it, but what is
consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and
likewise the priest’s hands, for touching this sacrament." (Summa
Theologica, Pars III, Q. 82, Art. 3, Rep. Obj. 8)
Code: 
    COUNCIL OF TRENT (1545-1565).  "The fact that only the priest
gives Holy Communion with his consecrated hands is an Apostolic
Tradition."

Also read Paul VI Apostolic Epistle “Memoriale Domini”
here

saint-mike.org/library/Curia/Congregations/Worship/Memoriale_Domini.html
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