Net Neutrality

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What happens if they force ABC, NBC, PBS or even the BBC to have links and video of Rush LImbaugh and Sean Hannity on their webpages to be more “fair”?

What if they say that public schools need to do represent religion more to live up to diversity standards----even if that means using state and public resources to do so?

What happens when union websites are required to post positive information about right-to-work legislation, and if they don’t, they are fined and maybe even their sites are suspended from service until they comply?

See, big government is “fun” when it goes your way and use other people’s resource at the point of a fine or a gun even. But when others get their say or the opposite party gets into power and chooses to start working in the system…not so much.
I thinking you’re confusing net neutrality with the FCC’s Fairness Doctrine, which was revoked way back in (I think) 1985. That did address content, but it only applied to broadcast media (i.e., radio and television).

Net neutrality is an entirely different thing.
 
Net Neutrality seems like a good idea.

But I don’t think it matters if the big commercial providers are in charge or if the government is in charge. The public will get bitten is some manner either way.

It might be cost. It might be the content we can or cannot get. But it will be something.

It’s the big corporations who pay for and maintain most of the bandwidth so they deserve something for that. But they shouldn’t be censoring the competition.

The government has an interest in the content that goes over the internet for law enforcement reasons. But I don’t like my every action being monitored. And the government often makes things worse when they try to legislate “fairness”.
 
As far as I can tell, nothing the government touches becomes cheaper or more efficient. I can pay my cell phone bill with 4 button pushes. To pay my electric bill, a utility, it takes several stages and $3.50 each month to pay by phone.

Is the cell phone companies payment technology any less available to the government regulated utility? Not at all. They just don’t have the fear of competition and customers’ ability to change service providers.

Now we can have the same level of service for our internet.
 
And when CAF gets a letter from the FCC stating that this site must be more “neutral” and open to defending other religions - will we still think this was all about “consumer protection?”
I don’t think you understand what this is all about. Different kind of neutrality altogether. (Unless you’re being sarcastic…)
 
It seems to me the governments argument is “we want to make sure you continue to have the freedom of the net protected from the major “corrupt” corporations who might eventually one day want to restrict it. So take the power to restrict it away from them and give it to us…”

I have deep concerns about a government who forces religions to violate their beliefs to have any power at all to restrict websites like this one which may be opposed to those government policies. Isn’t that the foundation of the 1st Amendment?

We already have the freedom they propose, and in a free market society, if there is a need someone will come up with a solution. Hence we have both CNN and Fox and Breitbart and the Huffington Post…
I have a feeling when we all find out what many of these regulations will be, most of us will be shocked, but I would bet not many will actually be willing to do anything about it…most will just sit back and accept it, whereas, our relatives from past years, would be walking the streets with torches until it was changed…American citizens today arent willing to go that far. We have lost our sense of what it means to be an american.

I do know, if the FCC is given control over the internet, I would not be surprised to see alot of censorship on the internet from here on, this is getting into scary territory imo, I think they will eventually put limits on what someone can say online, just like they do with tv, movies, radio.
 
I do know, if the FCC is given control over the internet, I would not be surprised to see alot of censorship on the internet from here on, this is getting into scary territory imo, I think they will eventually put limits on what someone can say online, just like they do with tv, movies, radio.
Net-neutrality is like anti-trust legislation preventing the monopolization of internet bandwidth. This doesn’t have anything to do with speech. If it does anything regarding speech it will keep the playing field even.

I don’t know about you but the idea of Time Warner Cable or Comcast turning into a Standard Oil type entity seems like a horrible idea to me.
 
In order to even have jurisdiction over the internet, the FCC first had to redefine the internet to make it subject to FCC regs. Easy. Just redefine it from an information service to a utility, and presto, now it is subject to regulation.

The government says it will protect us from big ISP’s. But who’s going to protect us from big government?

My prediction, our internet bills will be going up. First, because ISP’s will be hiring a lot of compliance staffers and lawyers whose only job is to ensure compliance with FCC regs, second, because before too long the Feds will decide to make ISP’s charge “universal service charges” i.e. taxes, just as you now see on your telephone bills.

And third, because a lot of the smaller ISP’s will be unable to cope with the increased regulatory compliance workload and drop out, resulting in less competition.
 
It seems to me the governments argument is “we want to make sure you continue to have the freedom of the net protected from the major ‘corrupt’ corporations who might eventually one day want to restrict it. So take the power to restrict it away from them and give it to us…”
Your skepticism that these corporations would dare to be that “corrupt” is ill-founded.

They already were being manipulative and controlling, arbitrarily, just to make more money.

Comcast, for instance, wanted Netflix to pay them money directly. Just because. When Netflix didn’t agree (why would they?), Comcast deliberately slowed down Netflix for its users. People were so irritated at Netflix that the complaints basically forced Netflix to comply and give Comcast money arbitrarily.

It’s that kind of manipulative, avaricious nonsense that Net Neutrality proscribes.

Imagine a world in which your Internet provider works like this:



etc.
We already have the freedom they propose, and in a free market society, if there is a need someone will come up with a solution. Hence we have both CNN and Fox and Breitbart and the Huffington Post…
The Internet was not protected from this kind of arbitrary interference before; as mentioned, Internet providers had already started pulling this nonsense. So no, we did not enjoy “freedom” in this area.

Politicians raising the specter of “big government” on this matter are those like Ted Cruz, who does so only because Comcast gave him campaign contributions, so he thinks he owes them.

There’s nothing Net Neutrality hurts for consumers, and it’s necessary to prevent arbitrary, autocratic manipulation of Internet data as described above.

Don’t be fooled by the Ted Cruz types.
I thought the net neutrality debate dealt with who would control bandwidth. If ISPs are allowed to favor profitable giants such as Netflix, and give them a priority share, smaller sites (such as this one - CAF) would load slower, or maybe not at all. I have heard it likened to a monopoly, where the big guys crowd out the little guys who are unable to compete financially, and it seems to me we will have far less diversity online if this is allowed to happen. But maybe I’m not understanding the issue.
No, you got it. Without it, they could eventually implement the throttling of bandwidth for anyone they don’t like. Perhaps anyone who doesn’t pay them a li’l extra to line their pockets further.
And they could reach a deal with Netflix under which, for a price, they’d restrict Netflix’s competitors from reaching you (by throttling their streaming, or charging them a prohibitive fee, or various other means).
Another great example. Want to watch Amazon Prime in that scenario? Too bad. Time Warner will make it digitally difficult.
Net neutrality requires that the internet be treated more like the telephone communication system. Phone service providers cannot charge you more based on who’s calling you. They cannot decide that they will allow calls from, say, telemarketers to get through with high sound quality (for a fee, of course), while degrading the signal for calls from your Aunt Josephine in Iowa, for example.
Exactly.
The proposal is to let the government control access to the internet.
:rolleyes:

No. It allows them to enforce regulations that prevent the sort of manipulation described above. That’s not controlling access to the Internet.

Unlike in, say, North Korea, we will always be able to access the Internet itself. There’d be a massive outcry if they prevented it, even more than when Net Neutrality was seemingly defeated a year or two ago.
Right now, internet suppliers give priority to those who are their biggest customers. That’s not unlike any business that gives volume discounts. But the internet providers do not exercise control of content.
You are incorrect, my friend. Control of content was already beginning to happen (see Comcast/Netflix example above).
The stated initial goal is to make sure that some companies that previously were only able to have slower access can get faster access. But once the control has been transferred, the government can exercise that control in any number of ways.
What are you afraid they’ll do? Block it in some places? Censor it? For a variety of reasons, that’s not going to work/happen, as I delved into above.
It’s not exactly legislation, and it’s not so secret. A summary is available here, and the full text of the order is expected to be released shortly.
Exactly.
 
And when CAF gets a letter from the FCC stating that this site must be more “neutral” and open to defending other religions - will we still think this was all about “consumer protection?”
Net Neutrality does not enable such a measure. Please, look further into the matter, I beg you.

You and SuperLuigi need to understand that Net Neutrality has nothing to do with the content of Internet websites. There’s literally no connection.

It deals only with the possible control of Internet access to certain kinds of data - not at all with Internet content.
Government also wasn’t in the business or regulating which couples you could sell a cake to. That’s now changed.

In fact, there is a lot of things government wasn’t regulating but now is.
So?

I suppose the government could begin trying to regulate Internet content, but the possibility that some bureaucrats could begin to attempt such a thing was there before Net Neutrality as well, and Net Neutrality literally has nothing to do with such a possibility, so Net Neutrality doesn’t make it any more possible or likely.
It’s the big corporations who pay for and maintain most of the bandwidth so they deserve something for that.
Quite true; that’s why we still, of course, have to pay for Internet access. That’s the service they’re providing.
I have a feeling when we all find out what many of these regulations will be, most of us will be shocked, but I would bet not many will actually be willing to do anything about it…most will just sit back and accept it, whereas, our relatives from past years, would be walking the streets with torches until it was changed…American citizens today arent willing to go that far. We have lost our sense of what it means to be an american.
Well, I have good news for you, then.

A ruling from a year or two ago - driven largely by lobbying from the big Internet providers - seemed to crush the possibility of enacting Net Neutrality for good.

Sensing this arbitrary restriction of our speech and status as consumers, Americans did in fact rally for protection against the machinations of big Internet providers.

And we won. Check out this analysis: How Net Neutrality Came Back from the Dead.

So never fear, friend: in this scenario, Americans did stand up against unnecessary encroachments.
I do know, if the FCC is given control over the internet, I would not be surprised to see alot of censorship on the internet from here on, this is getting into scary territory imo, I think they will eventually put limits on what someone can say online, just like they do with tv, movies, radio.
Look more into this matter. You’ll be happy at what you find. Net Neutrality is a good thing. It’s more like anti-trust legislation, as a poster above me said.
A lot of assumptions here. No real facts.
True… and somewhat disheartening.
 
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