Never a dull moment with Cardinal Kasper!

[francesco920]

What of the problem that many of them do not see a need for a valid consecration? I think this is a lot deaper than anyone knows.

If they are reasonable and they truly want unity then they will subject themselves to be validly ordained. And perhaps the Holy See will make this a conditional ordination, so that the question of whether they were validly ordained or not to begin with doesn’t have to be answered. This way we wouldn’t have to go back and forth forever about whether this guy or that guy was ordained by an Old Catholic bishop or some other schismatic/heretic bishop with valid orders, etc.

I don’t think that’s the biggest problem, anyway. The bigger hurdles I see are married priests/bishops, the liturgy, whether or not some of the members are in valid marriages, and how exactly to incorporate them into the Church (should they become a part of the Latin Church, or should they be allowed to be their own *sui iuris *Church, like the Eastern Catholic Churches? etc.)

What definitely is should NOT be an issue is whether or not the Anglican archbishop of Canterbury likes this or not. Frankly, what he thinks doesn’t matter AT ALL. The cardinal’s objection is not a legitimate one; it is based on false and heretical ecumenism.

 

[surgei]

I don’t think that’s the biggest problem, anyway. The bigger hurdles I see are married priests/bishops, the liturgy, whether or not some of the members are in valid marriages, and how exactly to incorporate them into the Church (should they become a part of the Latin Church, or should they be allowed to be their own *sui iuris *Church, like the Eastern Catholic Churches? etc.)

Excepting for validity of marriage these are all discapline issures.

What definitely is should NOT be an issue is whether or not the Anglican archbishop of Canterbury likes this or not. Frankly, what he thinks doesn’t matter AT ALL. The cardinal’s objection is not a legitimate one; it is based on false and heretical ecumenism.

What if the Cardinal is waiting to get the whole crew. However I don’t think he had the Canerbury bishop in mind when he said this. I think he was talking about the specific comunion that is in dialouge with him. Perhaps had His Beatitude Phillip showed such concern for the EOCA that denomination would not exist today. Thank God Phillip did what he did though. We have many a good priest because of him.

 

[BritishCatholic]

I’m sorry but I consider this to be quite a scurrilous objection. These men have publicly assented to the teachings of the Church as expounded in the Catechism. You really think they’d think they don’t need to be ordained?

Take it from a convert: the yearning becomes such that you will do anything the Church demands.

Indeed.

Just a thought, would the Anglican priests(or should I even say Episcopal?) have to go through the full seven or so years of Seminary? I mean, I would assume that they need to be instructed in becoming Roman Catholic priests, but many of them already have degrees, for example, like a Master’s in Divinity or something like that. Would they have to start from scratch?

 

[markadm]

IJust a thought, would the Anglican priests(or should I even say Episcopal?) have to go through the full seven or so years of Seminary? I mean, I would assume that they need to be instructed in becoming Roman Catholic priests, but many of them already have degrees, for example, like a Master’s in Divinity or something like that. Would they have to start from scratch?

No harm in calling them Episcopal; after all, that is what they call themselves, and they do at least believe in bishops.

If my memory serves, it is done on a case by case basis. I think there is always some necessary formation, but whether it is formal or academic in nature is a moot point. Put it this way, I don’t think they made former Anglicna bishop Graham Leonard go back to school!

 

[francesco920]

Excepting for validity of marriage these are all discapline issures.

True, but just because something is a discipline issue doesn’t mean it’s insignificant.

What if the Cardinal is waiting to get the whole crew. However I don’t think he had the Canerbury bishop in mind when he said this. I think he was talking about the specific comunion that is in dialouge with him.

If by the “whole crew” you mean the entire Anglican Communion, then outside of a miracle that’s just not going to happen any time soon. The Anglicans can’t even decide if homosexual actions are wrong.

At any rate these particular Traditional Anglicans are NOT part of the Anglican Communion, so if they are allowed in we* will* be getting the whole crew because the TAC is its own entity and not tied to the Anglican Communion at all.

And I disagree that he did not have the Canterbury bishop in mind. Unless we know that he was lying, we should take the Cardinal at his word, and what he said was that he didn’t want to offend the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury. And that is not a legitimate reason whatsoever, unless one believes in a false ecumenism which denies that the Holy Catholic Church (and only the Holy Catholic Church) is the one true Church which Christ established on earth.