New Challenge To God

[Sirach14]

We all knew it would only be a matter of time, and our spinless law makers will go along with it.

wbal.com/news/story.asp?articleid=37072

 

[jman507]

I rule he use a debt card or a credit card and pay at the pump.

 

[mjdonnelly]

Then take the next logical step. He owes the British government over 200 years in back taxes from himself and his family because God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, making it null and void.

At least for him.

 

[Brad]

Sign This Petition:

Newdow Files Suit To Take National Motto Off Currency

Tells ACLU meeting “In God We Trust” must go

Michael Newdow, who has already filed a suit to take “under God” out of the Pledge of Allegiance, is now suing to remove our national motto from our currency.

Newdow told the ACLU of Oklahoma that the national motto on U.S. currency is a violation of the separation of church and state. He is offended because he is an atheist. He wants to use the Federal courts to make his atheism the official religion of America.

Newdow filed in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals which recently ruled that judges, not parents, have the final say in what will be taught school children concerning sex education. These same liberal judges supported Newdow and ruled that the phrase “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional. That suit was dismissed due to a technicality so Newdow sued again.

The 9th U.S. Circuit is expected to agree with Newdow. The case will then go to the U.S. Supreme Court for final action.

Help us secure one million signatures on the petition below to stop Newdow. Remember that only one person—Madelyn Murray O’Hare—was able to get prayer in schools banned. We must not allow one person—Newdow—to get our national motto removed from our currency by our silence.

During the last session of Congress, Representative Chip Pickering introduced a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to use and recite the motto and the Pledge of Allegiance. Your petition will encourage Rep. Pickering to re-introduce his constitutional amendment in the present session of Congress and send a message to the liberal judges of the 9th U.S. Circuit.

Please act quickly, and forward this to friends and family.

Click here to sign the petition now!

afa.net/petitions/signpetition.asp?id=1460

Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

 

[Arba_Sicula]

Brad:

Remember that only one person—Madelyn Murray O’Hare—was able to get prayer in schools banned.

This is incorrect. Children are not banned from praying in school. What is banned is the school’s official participation in prayers.

 

[Brad]

Arba Sicula:

This is incorrect. Children are not banned from praying in school. What is banned is the school’s official participation in prayers.

The children cannot host a prayer session without challenge today.

 

[Arba_Sicula]

Brad:

The children cannot host a prayer session without challenge today.

Worthless challenges because the court decisions are very clear about the kids’ right to pray as long as the schools are not officially involved in the prayer.

 

[Brad]

Arba Sicula:

Worthless challenges because the court decisions are very clear about the kids’ right to pray as long as the schools are not officially involved in the prayer.

If you are a kid, do you want to be challenged by the ACLU? Most principals are so scared of the ACLU, they will preemptively not allow it.

Further, wouldn’t it make sense that an adult teacher would host a bible study rather than a child who still has much to learn? I don’t see how a believing teacher hosting an optional bible study is establishing a government religion.

 

[Arba_Sicula]

Brad:

If you are a kid, do you want to be challenged by the ACLU? Most principals are so scared of the ACLU, they will preemptively not allow it.

The ACLU is aware of the Court’s rulings and would not challenge the right of children to pray. You are right about the fright, though.

Further, wouldn’t it make sense that an adult teacher would host a bible study rather than a child who still has much to learn? I don’t see how a believing teacher hosting an optional bible study is establishing a government religion.

Bible study is allowed as history, literature, or social studies, not as instruction in religion. Actually, more and more public schools today are including bible study in that manner.

 

[Quaere_Verum]

My nephew got an “A” on his Islam’s class. I forgot to ask him what he got on his Christian Studies class. Oh yeah, the public schools don’t allow that class.

“AHOO!!!”
“May the Force be with you!”

 

[Brad]

Arba Sicula:

Bible study is allowed as history, literature, or social studies, not as instruction in religion. Actually, more and more public schools today are including bible study in that manner.

A good way to distort, twist and de-spiritualize the Bible to oppose it’s sense as used in Church.

You cannot gain from study of God’s Word by ignoring the primary sense. You can only lose ground.

I still don’t see any issue for a believing teacher hosting an optional Bible study in a public school.

 

[Anglican77]

I will never understand these people like Newdow who say that having “In God We Trust” on our currency is unconstitutional. Clearly, he hasn’t read the Constitution for it states:

“Congress shall make **no law ** respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

I don’t understand how having “In God We Trust” on our currency is considered a law nor is “On Nation, Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance considered a law.

 

[MikeWM]

Anglican77:

I don’t understand how having “In God We Trust” on our currency is considered a law

If I remember back from the time when I was interested in numismatics, what is on a coin is almost completely defined by laws passed by Congress. In other words, there is a law that says ‘In God We Trust’ must be on a coin.

Indeed, I’m right.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

Mike

 

[Brad]

MikeWM:

If I remember back from the time when I was interested in numismatics, what is on a coin is almost completely defined by laws passed by Congress. In other words, there is a law that says ‘In God We Trust’ must be on a coin.

Indeed, I’m right.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

Mike

It still doesn’t establish a government religion. There are thousands of “sects” and denominations that trust in God.

 

[MikeWM]

Brad:

It still doesn’t establish a government religion. There are thousands of “sects” and denominations that trust in God.

Yes (though I’m sure there are thousands that don’t, too). I was merely clarifying the legal position.

Mike

 

[cheeto1]

This idea of taking “in God we trust” off the money

is no challenge to God. There is far too much time and
money being spent to fight frivolous things. The important
thing is not what’s being printed on the money, but that
we are trusting in God. The important thing is not whether
the 10 commandments are on a wall somewhere, but that
we are able to understand what they mean and how
to follow them. Printing “in God we trust” on money will
not make people know how to trust in God and not printing
it on money will not keep people from trusting in God.
The actual trusting in God is the important thing and the
actual following of the 10 commandments is the important
thing. Where these things are printed (money, courtrooms,
etc) is a national honoring of God and while it is a tragedy
when this honor is taken away, I think we have to remember
that our battle is for hearts and minds, not walls and paper.
If we win the walls and money, but not the hearts, what have
we gained?

 

[Brad]

cheeto1:

This idea of taking “in God we trust” off the money

is no challenge to God. There is far too much time and
money being spent to fight frivolous things. The important
thing is not what’s being printed on the money, but that
we are trusting in God. The important thing is not whether
the 10 commandments are on a wall somewhere, but that
we are able to understand what they mean and how
to follow them. Printing “in God we trust” on money will
not make people know how to trust in God and not printing
it on money will not keep people from trusting in God.
The actual trusting in God is the important thing and the
actual following of the 10 commandments is the important
thing. Where these things are printed (money, courtrooms,
etc) is a national honoring of God and while it is a tragedy
when this honor is taken away, I think we have to remember
that our battle is for hearts and minds, not walls and paper.
If we win the walls and money, but not the hearts, what have
we gained?

Stripping the walls and money sends the wrong message to those hearts and minds we are trying to win to Christ. It gradually makes the playing field more hostile towards our work. If Christians fight a little know to save these patriotic traditions then the future fighting will be less severe and more favorable to winning souls. Because so many do nothing now even though they easily can, the stage is being set for outright Christian hostility and the requirement of physcial martyrdom. I want to work for a culture that embraces Christ rather than one that mocks him and persecutes believers.

 

[koda]

You can’t love both God and mammon. Money is the root of much evil (though not all). Seems kind of insulting to God to have his name on the currency of greed in the acquisition of which many heinous crimes have been committed.

 

[jman507]

koda:

You can’t love both God and mammon. Money is the root of much evil (though not all). Seems kind of insulting to God to have his name on the currency of greed in the acquisition of which many heinous crimes have been committed.

Money may be at the root of all evil, but it is not evil in itself. It can be used for good as easily as it can for the evil. One could look at the money and be reminded that one should use it in accord to God’s will, just as well.

 

[Brad]

koda:

You can’t love both God and mammon. Money is the root of much evil (though not all). Seems kind of insulting to God to have his name on the currency of greed in the acquisition of which many heinous crimes have been committed.

Any good can be used for evil. Earned money is what runs every charity of good will and puts food on every single person’s plate.