New Death Threats Against Italian Bishops' Leader

[bones_IV]

Kaninchen, it’s a well known fact that gay activists view the Catholic Church as their enemy. Anti-catholicism has a long tradition in Italy.

 

[Holly3278]

I really feel sorry for the bishop. That is disgusting what those gay activists did. But lets not paint all gay activists with one brush. Just because some gay activists issued a death threat doesn’t mean that all gay activists would do that or even approved of it.

 

[Kaninchen]

It’s not pastoral to confirm someone in their sin.

Which has nothing to do with your “tarring all with the same brush” on the subject of the threat.

 

[Kaninchen]

Kaninchen, it’s a well known fact that gay activists view the Catholic Church as their enemy.

They may, or may not, be quite justified in that view?

Anti-catholicism has a long tradition in Italy.

On my experience of the Italy, indifference may be becoming the new tradition.

 

[Kaninchen]

You posed a counter argument, which is a defense of the crime.

I think you might have some trouble in establishing that in logic. Any time, for example, a Conservative says “Liberals may argue”, they’re supporting Liberals - that makes sense . . . err.

I understand why you do not want to admit that, but the facts are the facts. It is very tough to admit it when we make mistakes.

Try.

 

[Franze]

Of course the catholics can´t ever be victims, they are only guilties, like from the Vendee,a genocide made by French Revolution and so many times, sad.

 

[Kaninchen]

Of course the catholics can´t ever be victims, they are only guilties, like from the Vendee,a genocide made by French Revolution and so many times, sad.

Somebody threatens a bishop and it’s the equivalent of the Vendee massacres? A slightly out of proportion response?

I think you need to consider the meaning of the word ‘genocide’, by the way.

 

[bones_IV]

Which has nothing to do with your “tarring all with the same brush” on the subject of the threat.

Are you defending the threats the Archbishop received? Mailing a bullet to a bishop sure sends a message across doesn’t it? The Italian government should stand up against the May day demonstrations for this.

 

[bones_IV]

Somebody threatens a bishop and it’s the equivalent of the Vendee massacres? A slightly out of proportion response?

I think you need to consider the meaning of the word ‘genocide’, by the way.

Abortion is a worse type of genocide. I take it you’re really hostile towards Catholicism, no?

 

[Kaninchen]

Are you defending the threats the Archbishop received? Mailing a bullet to a bishop sure sends a message across doesn’t it? The Italian government should stand up against the May day demonstrations for this.

I’m hostile to characterizing a set of people on the actions of one of them.

 

[Kaninchen]

Abortion is a worse type of genocide.

The Vendee massacres were not ‘genocide’ - as anybody who cared to look up the meaning of the word would appreciate. Neither were the Vendee massacres abortion - the victims were well past their birth dates.

I take it you’re really hostile towards Catholicism, no?

No, I don’t judge a whole set of people and what they believe on the basis of an individual’s behavior, not even yours.

 

[bones_IV]

The Vendee massacres were not ‘genocide’ - as anybody who cared to look up the meaning of the word would appreciate. Neither were the Vendee massacres abortion - the victims were well past their birth dates. No, I don’t judge a whole set of people and what they believe on the basis of an individual’s behavior, not even yours.

You’re the one who said, " So, let’s see, somebody from group x threatens somebody so all members of group x are guilty, right, I get it." Sounds like hostility towards Catholicism to me. The radical fringe of the homosexual movement in the 1960s has now become the mainstream. There is no consolation in thinking that once a fringe group, always a fringe group. The momentum toward legal and physical suppression of the Church in Europe grows by the day. Threat directed to Arbp Bagnasco is simply one more sign of the fringe becoming mainstream.

 

[bones_IV]

Kaninchen, are you going to tell me that the killing of innocent Catholics during the French Revolution was not a genocide? I’m sorry the truth bothers you.

 

[Kaninchen]

You’re the one who said, " So, let’s see, somebody from group x threatens somebody so all members of group x are guilty, right, I get it." Sounds like hostility towards Catholicism to me.

I apologize, I didn’t realize that Catholic doctrine included clauses that said that the actions of one person defined entire sets of people. Perhaps you could point out the relevant bits of the Catechism. If it does then it sounds as if I ought to be hostile to it because I really do disagree with characterizing an entire set on the basis of the actions of an individual.

The radical fringe of the homosexual movement in the 1960s has now become the mainstream. There is no consolation in thinking that once a fringe group, always a fringe group. The momentum toward legal and physical suppression of the Church in Europe grows by the day. Threat directed to Arbp Bagnasco is simply one more sign of the fringe becoming mainstream.

So, everybody involved in the gay movement is guilty of sending a threat to the archbishop - rriiigght.

 

[Kaninchen]

Kaninchen, are you going to tell me that the killing of innocent Catholics during the French Revolution was not a genocide? I’m sorry the truth bothers you.

I’m sorry that the meaning of words doesn’t bother you.

 

[bones_IV]

I apologize, I didn’t realize that Catholic doctrine included clauses that said that the actions of one person defined entire sets of people. Perhaps you could point out the relevant bits of the Catechism. If it does then it sounds as if I ought to be hostile to it because I really do disagree with characterizing an entire set on the basis of the actions of an individual.

So, everybody involved in the gay movement is guilty of sending a threat to the archbishop - rriiigght.

I thought supporters of gay "marriage" were allegedly "open, liberal, tolerant, and inclusive." Guess not.

2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."86 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.87

2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

 

[bones_IV]

I’m sorry that the meaning of words doesn’t bother you.

Genocide is against the Fifth commandment. Perhaps you don’t recognize the killing of Catholics during the French Revolution as a violation of human rights.

 

[Kaninchen]

Genocide is against the Fifth commandment. Perhaps you don’t recognize the killing of Catholics during the French Revolution as a violation of human rights.

I see you’re still having trouble with the meaning of ‘genocide’ - hint: it implies the killing of a national or racial group on the grounds of their national or racial identity. The victims of the Vendee massacres were French people being killed by French people during the course of and subsequent to an uprising against the state.

So, how were the Vendee massacres ‘genocide’?

 

[Kaninchen]

I thought supporters of gay “marriage” were allegedly “open, liberal, tolerant, and inclusive.” Guess not.

What has that got to do with your characterizing an entire group on the basis of one member making a threat to an archbishop?

2284 - 2285 - 2286

Please explain how those passages enable you to condemn an entire group on the basis of one member making a threat to an archbishop?

 

[bones_IV]

What has that got to do with your characterizing an entire group on the basis of one member making a threat to an archbishop?

Please explain how those passages enable you to condemn an entire group on the basis of one member making a threat to an archbishop?

The gay lifestyle by it’s very nature is violent. When a bullet gets sent to an archbishop for condemning sodomy then perhaps I have a reason to be alarmed? Another thing, where was the anger of these gay militants when the bullet was sent to the Archbishop? Didn’t hear a peep out of them. The gay militants were gloating.