New Evolution Finds!

[Eucharisted]

So long as God made it all, it doesn’t matter to me.
But, I don’t want to think of myself coming from any animal, to tell the truth. I’m already cursed with being Italian!

You didn’t come from an animal, you came from a man and woman. It’s just that man evolved from lesser animals. As a human being, you are part animal and part spirit.

 

[choy]

the funniest thing about the article…

it says with this find the origin of man has changed. first they thought men came from chimps. but it seems chimps and man now came from a common ancestor

wow, sounds like they’re not even sure about it. so why should i believe them if they say evolution is true? so now chimps and men branched of from a common ancestor. that is, until the next big find that will rewrite everything again for the Nth time

 

[spankyg]

the funniest thing about the article…

it says with this find the origin of man has changed. first they thought men came from chimps. but it seems chimps and man now came from a common ancestor

wow, sounds like they’re not even sure about it. so why should i believe them if they say evolution is true? so now chimps and men branched of from a common ancestor. that is, until the next big find that will rewrite everything again for the Nth time

EXACTLY!!!

Agree 100%

Watch the documentary “Hobbit Enigma”.

This “hobbit” fossil find once again re-wrote our human ancestry a few months ago.

A lot of what I am taught in evolutionary biology is contradictory according to what they have now found in the past few years.

This leads me to believe they have no idea what is going on.

Also, this is taken from a speech given by Colin Patterson who was a senior paleontologist and editor of the journal of the British Museum of Natural History in London, who announced to a room full of bio-chemists and evolutionists, that through his 20 years of evolutionary research, the theory makes no sense.

One of the reasons I started taking this anti-evolutionary view, or let’s call it a nonevolutionary view,
was last year I had a sudden realization for over twenty years I had
thought I was working on evolution in some way. One morning I woke up and something
had happened in the night and it struck me that I had been working on this stuff for
twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That’s quite a shock to learn
that one can be so misled so long. Either there was something wrong with me or there
was something wrong with evolutionary theory. Naturally, I know there is nothing wrong
with me, so for the last few weeks I’ve tried putting a simple question to various people
and groups of people.

he then goes on to state:

Well, here we all are. We all have shelves of books on evolution. We’ve all read tons of
them and most of us have written one or two. How could it be that some Donald Black
had read these books and learned nothing from them? How could I work on evolution
twenty years and learn nothing from it? Gillespie’s comment: “a void that has the function
of knowledge but conveys none” seems to me to be very precise, very apt.

A pdf. file of the speech is available here:

biology.swau.edu/faculty/nclasses/classes/patterson.pdf

Colin Patterson did not agree with teaching creationism in schools either.

 

[AntiTheist]

it says with this find the origin of man has changed. first they thought men came from chimps. but it seems chimps and man now came from a common ancestor

wow, sounds like they’re not even sure about it. so why should i believe them if they say evolution is true? so now chimps and men branched of from a common ancestor. that is, until the next big find that will rewrite everything again for the Nth time

We’ve known for a long time that man and chimps shared a common ancestor – this discovery doesn’t tell us that. As I understand it – and I admit, my knowledge of this particular discovery is incomplete at the moment – it reveals that chimps may have changed more than humans.

As to your question of “why should we believe them?” – you shouldn’t “believe” them. You should actually look at the literally mountains upon mountains of evidence that cut across numerous fields of science, everything from the fossil record to comparative anatomy to genetic studies.

Literally everything we’ve learned about life for the last hundred years has provided strong, strong support for evolution. It was Theodosius Dobzhansky – a Christian, incidentally – who said that “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.”

If you’re not willing to open your eyes, read a few books, and actually accept reality, then certainly no one’s going to be able to convince you of it.

 

[spankyg]

Whoever your grandma is, Greg, I love her.

haha you love everyone Therese

 

[kalt]

“The story of humankind is reaching back another million years with the discovery of “Ardi,” a hominid who lived 4.4 million years ago in what is now Ethiopia”

hahahahahh

Thanks for this, got a great laugh out of it.

PS: Guess what I found in my garden. It was some form of skull which appears to have come from some kind of lizard. But I know that it’s a 400 billion year old fossil providing the relevant evidence of our human ancestry.

You’re family might have come from monkey’s, but mine sure as hell didn’t.

No theory of evolution states the humans came from monkeys. Monkies are on their own branch of the family tree.

 

[kalt]

“panties in a bunch”? Look, I understand how hard it is to overcome the brainwashing of the world, but as long as you refuse to love the truth, you will never overcome it. I overcame because I wanted to believe the Word of God (see my sig). So I sincerely sought the truth, and God explained it to me, and now I understand. It’s all about free will: Evolution is for the unbelievers - not you…

“Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” - Richard Dawkins

…according to God’s plan.

Do you think the PJPII was also brainwashed?

 

[kalt]

If you’re Catholic, you cannot believe in evolution.

This isn’t true. And you disagree with the pope.

 

[choy]

We’ve known for a long time that man and chimps shared a common ancestor – this discovery doesn’t tell us that. As I understand it – and I admit, my knowledge of this particular discovery is incomplete at the moment – it reveals that chimps may have changed more than humans.

As to your question of “why should we believe them?” – you shouldn’t “believe” them. You should actually look at the literally mountains upon mountains of evidence that cut across numerous fields of science, everything from the fossil record to comparative anatomy to genetic studies.

Literally everything we’ve learned about life for the last hundred years has provided strong, strong support for evolution. It was Theodosius Dobzhansky – a Christian, incidentally – who said that “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.”

If you’re not willing to open your eyes, read a few books, and actually accept reality, then certainly no one’s going to be able to convince you of it.

you mean the mountains of evidence that they will throw out on the next find? then they will create another mountain of evidence based on that next find and they throw everything out again after another major find

you know, not because there’s a mountain it means its good. there are mountains of garbage as well. most scientists make false assumptions based on one discovery without taking into account the bigger picture

 

[kalt]

you mean the mountains of evidence that they will throw out on the next find? then they will create another mountain of evidence based on that next find and they throw everything out again after another major find

you know, not because there’s a mountain it means its good. there are mountains of garbage as well. most scientists make false assumptions based on one discovery without taking into account the bigger picture

That’s quite an accusation. Can you give us just 5 or 10 examples of scientific theories that fit your description? I’m wondering how you know they don’t look at the bigger picture. Are you a scientist? If not, are you sure that you even know what the big picture is?

Anti-evolution here have claimed foolish things like, “They used to say we descended from chimps.”, and “They say we descended from monkies.”

I’m not convinced that the anti-evolution folks here even know what evolution theory is, never mind all that encompasses “the big picture”.

 

[choy]

That’s quite an accusation. Can you give us just 5 or 10 examples of scientific theories that fit your description? I’m wondering how you know they don’t look at the bigger picture. Are you a scientist? If not, are you sure that you even know what the big picture is?

Anti-evolution here have claimed foolish things like, “They used to say we descended from chimps.”, and “They say we descended from monkies.”

I’m not convinced that the anti-evolution folks here even know what evolution theory is, never mind all that encompasses “the big picture”.

lets see…

the world was flat…
the earth is in the center of the solar system…
there’s nothing smaller than an atom…

don’t get me wrong. i’m not saying that there are no scientific discoveries that advance past discoveries. but with special regards to evolution, new discoveries tend to replace older “evidence” rather than advance them in

 

[buffalo]

lets see…

the world was flat…
the earth is in the center of the solar system…
there’s nothing smaller than an atom…

don’t get me wrong. i’m not saying that there are no scientific discoveries that advance past discoveries. but with special regards to evolution, new discoveries tend to replace older “evidence” rather than advance them in

and so it is with new findings in the cell and DNA.

 

[PaulDupre]

So long as God made it all, it doesn’t matter to me.
But, I don’t want to think of myself coming from any animal, to tell the truth. I’m already cursed with being Italian!

I don’t see why people would be insulted by the idea that we are descended from the same ancestors as the apes. The bible (Genesis) tells us that we are made from dirt. Once you’ve been dirt it’s hard to get insulted.

 

[PaulDupre]

the funniest thing about the article…

it says with this find the origin of man has changed. first they thought men came from chimps. but it seems chimps and man now came from a common ancestor

Evolution has never claimed that humans descended from chimps. It has always posited that apes and humans have a common ancestry. This latest discovery just pushes that ancestry back in time, and may reshape the thinking of which line evolved first.

 

[PaulDupre]

The anti-evolutionists are fighting a straw-man. They think that evolution teaches that man descended from monkeys and that there is no God.

Neither of these ideas is part of the theory of evolution.

They remind me of people who hate the Catholic Church because they believe we worship the pope and crucify Jesus anew in the mass.

 

[Rites]

This new discovery is nothing to be surprised about. Evolutionists will always have their obsession with everything that looks remotely human, and will always apply to the latest find the time-honored fallacy that because A looks like B, they must be related.

I could also point out the following:

1. [We condemn as modernism the idea that] Scientific progress demands that the concepts of Christian doctrine concerning God, creation, revelation, the Person of the Incarnate Word, and Redemption be re-adjusted.

– Pope St. Pius X, Lamentabili Sane

While I do not rule out the idea that honest inquiry into the concept of evolution is possible, it is clear from the above quote that we, as Catholics, have to be extremely careful about how we treat the matter internally. If we truly believe evolution to be a teaching that has been at least implicitly held by Christians from the beginning and is not in any way harmful to faith and morals, we should be able to hold to it until it has been formally condemned.

However, if we believe evolution is something that the Church should adopt simply because the modern world finds it popular, or because we think science can inform theology, we are quite officially modernists, and should promptly stop calling ourselves Catholics.

The Church cannot, will not, and must not change Her doctrines for any reason. If evolution is ultimately proved by the Magisterium to be contrary to the deposit of faith, we will all be obliged to submit and should rejoice that the truth has been proclaimed. Until that day comes (and I hope it will come soon), evolution is something we can, for now, technically believe in, regardless of how much evidence it has against it or how some of us may feel about the matter.

 

[a_priori]

All the evidence I need:

Romans 1: 18-25

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Since you took the time to post this, can you explain how these passages suggest that evolution was not used by God in some fashion to bring about mankind?

 

[PaulDupre]

The Church cannot, will not, and must not change Her doctrines for any reason. If evolution is ultimately proved by the Magisterium to be contrary to the deposit of faith, we will all be obliged to submit and should rejoice that the truth has been proclaimed.

How could evolution possibly be contrary to the deposit of faith?

 

[choy]

Evolution has never claimed that humans descended from chimps. It has always posited that apes and humans have a common ancestry. This latest discovery just pushes that ancestry back in time, and may reshape the thinking of which line evolved first.

scientists are like lawyers. using fancy wording and technicalities and stuff. a monkey is a monkey

 

[PaulDupre]

scientists are like lawyers. using fancy wording and technicalities and stuff.

yeah, that’s really evil. we sure don’t want technicalities and stuff…