I know you were responding to different things, but it’s funny that you also answered your 2nd comment with your first.
The items I listed are dogma and are the constant understanding of the Church, This is not some new literal solo interpretation. It is all documented.
Even including the DNA data (and any other data you can muster up), there still exists the problem that similarity does not equal relation. The fact that apes and humans have similar skeletons and DNA does not prove anything at all except that they have similar skeletons and DNA. Evolution will not be proven until it has been observed, and with modern recording techniques, that prospect becomes more and more possible. But until it is proven, it is unscientific to look at the entire world with the assumption that evolution is true. Scientists, in their work, are only supposed to take for granted proven facts, which evolution is not; to do otherwise is biased and unconductive to real progress. On that much I hope we can agree.
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Well Paul, there you go check your brain at the door. For instances Paul this one assumes that the universe was created over billions of years in his fairy tale, yet Scriptures don’t give that clue.
Mainly from here in this forum is where I got that idea. I like your signatureWell, I’m sure I don’t know where you would get that idea.But no, you don’t have to embrace any godless myths in the Catholic Church. You can the have Faith of our Fathers, and Doctors, and Saints and the whole Catholic Church for most of Her existence, and still be a Catholic today. And there’s nothing the modernist wolves can do about it, except howl. So let the howling proceed!
I know you were responding to different things, but it’s funny that you also answered your 2nd comment with your first.
Comment - “I thought in order to be Catholic one had to embrace evolution.”
Answer - “A bunch of nonsense.”
Catholics aren’t required to have an opinion on evolution at all.
I’m a creationist, too. I believe that God created everything out of nothing, by means of the laws of physics, chemistry and biology which He also created, starting with the Big Bang. I believe God created living beings through evolution.
Thank you, I myself am a confirmed Creationist, I didn’t use to give it a lot of thought but I was involved in a debate long ago and I came out of it on the side of Creation.
Very well said, sir.
Oh, thank you, how charitable.This was posted in Secular News, and I’m posting it here so creationists can get their panties in a bunch.
Even though the OP pokes the stick at creationists, right out the gate.
There is a difference between checking your brain at the door - what some non-Catholic Christans do when they insist the Bible must be read literally - and stopping your brains from falling out - what most Catholic Christians do when they read the Bible just as I described to Paul.
Explain evolution in how a caterpillar changes into a butterfly.
Sure, OK.
Even more praiseworthy then are the measured and thoughtful responses to the OP.
The stone tablets contained the Ten Commandments, not the creation account.
I didn’t read past your 2nd sentence. You’re ignoring reality.Even including the DNA data (and any other data you can muster up), there still exists the problem that similarity does not equal relation. The fact that apes and humans have similar skeletons and DNA does not prove anything at all except that they have similar skeletons and DNA. Evolution will not be proven until it has been observed, and with modern recording techniques, that prospect becomes more and more possible. But until it is proven, it is unscientific to look at the entire world with the assumption that evolution is true. Scientists, in their work, are only supposed to take for granted proven facts, which evolution is not; to do otherwise is biased and unconductive to real progress. On that much I hope we can agree.
What I’m trying to say with that quote is that the Magisterium should interpret the Bible, not scientists. The human sciences can err, while the Church cannot, which is why it is She we should look to for the definitive answer on any question of origins. There has been no formal judgement from Her yet on the matter of evolution, so for now a legitimate pluralism can be said to exist, which is why I’m not telling you that you’re going to hell.
Why, I ask, do you refer to Creationism as if it were the exclusive property of Protestants? Is it un-Catholic to believe it? I would think that odd seeing as Catholicism is not defined by how much of modern science its members accept.
I hardly think a literal interpretation of Genesis is illogical, and much less do I think it lazy. What’s illogical is the fact that you think that a literal interpretation does not allow us to know the truth of creation. How on earth does that work? If Genesis is literal, then we’ve already arrived at the truth of creation, i.e., God made it all out of nothing just the way that it is today. What does this obscure? If you have an issue with literal interpretation, why not just call into question the Incarnation or the Resurrection? Accepting things plainly and at face value the way they are described in Divine Revelation is in no way illogical, and Genesis is not an exception to this.
In response to your last paragraph, I simply ask this: What reality? Evolution? Since when was that a reality? I think it odd that you seem to believe that the world is less worthy of admiration if evolution is not true. Creation is beautiful, no matter how it came into existence, and that, I think, is a point we should all agree on.
You’re not a creationist, Silly. Creationists believe that all of that evil science stuff (physics, chemistry, biology) came after everything was fully formed.
“You’re ignoring reality” is not a valid argument. And I think it would have been prudent to read more than two sentences of my post; you would have noticed that I basically defended your right to believe in evolution.
I doubt that in most cases there is any malice involved. I do think, though, that creationists labor under some misconceptions. They believe that in order to be faithful Christians, they must interpret the bible literally in every case, not allowing for the many different forms of prose and poetry in the bible. They also do not understand what the theory of evolution teaches. Just because some evolutionists are “godless” does not mean that evolution per se is a “godless” theory. Evolution does not teach, for instance, that man evolved from monkeys, nor does it claim that God did not create all things.