New Evolution Finds!

[kalt]

“You’re ignoring reality” is not a valid argument. And I think it would have been prudent to read more than two sentences of my post; you would have noticed that I basically defended your right to believe in evolution.

I did not say that DNA has nothing to do with relatedness. I did say that it cannot prove evolution, even if by itself it seems to be valid evidence.

You say I’m being illogical but you don’t really back up your claim. How am I being illogical? I look at the world and I for one don’t see any reason at all to think evolution explains how we came into being, and I don’t think that the fact that most scientists believe otherwise is a good enough reason to change my view on the matter. I betray no Church teachings in my belief and I respect everyone’s right to disagree with me until the Magisterium rules against one side or the other. Where do I err? Where does all logic depart from me in my observations?

I read your whole post, since you requested it of me. You didn’t say that evolution dosn’t prove evolution, you said that it only proves that things are similar. As you said earlier, similarity doesn’t prove relatedness. So, according to you, similarity is DNA doesn’t prove relatedness.

You are being illogical when you ignore the evidence in front of you, and apparently for no good reason. You insist that DNA doesn’t prove relatedness (only that it proves similarity). Can you give a good reason for denying that evidence?

When you observe evidence (DNA) and refuse to accept it, "all logic depart"s from you.

Evolution has been observed. Again, you ignore the evidence (reality).

 

[Lev23]

The stone tablets contained the Ten Commandments, not the creation account.

Keep the sabbath Holy is. Moses recorded God’s commentary on this commandment, therefore it is in there.

**Exodus 20:1-11
And God spoke all these words:
"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

"You shall have no other gods before me.

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

"You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. **

Notice the second to the last sentence of the Words God spoke.

 

[a_priori]

"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Notice the second to the last sentence of the Words God spoke. “But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” 2 Peter 3:8

 

[Lev23]

“But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” 2 Peter 3:8

Right, but there were words for days, years, eons, etc. that could of been used when the Torah was written. “Days” are stressed over and over when it describes the creation event.

 

[PaulDupre]

“But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” 2 Peter 3:8

And in the Hebrew gematria, the number 1000 means “more than can be counted”. So the text would really mean:

With the Lord. a day is like more years than could be counted, and more years than could be counted is like a single day."

That really doesn’t help the creationist position. Creationists suffer from reading the bible like an American rather than like an ancient Jew. Understanding the bible includes understanding the cultures that produced it.

 

[a_priori]

Right, but there were words for days, years, eons, etc. that could of been used when the Torah was written. “Days” are stressed over and over when it describes the creation event.

I think the point is that Genesis does indeed tell us that God created everything. He did indeed. This is the overarching truth. But there is a linguistic ambiguity in the texts that allows for scientific inquiry to come into play and inform the discussion

 

[buffalo]

Very well said, sir.

Well we really do not know that for sure. The first thing to look at is Genesis 1 does not appear to be written from man’s perspective. It looks more like from God’s.

Imagine a rolled up tape measure. If you live on the tape measure and look back in time what do you see? However, if you are observing the rolled up tape what do you see?

 

[historyb]

Great article about the not so evolution find here

answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/10/03/news-to-note-10032009

 

[Luke65]

“But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” 2 Peter 3:8

Good point. But here’s what you’re missing: The Catholic Church builds all spiritual meanings - including the prophetic meaning which you see here, or will see momentarily - on top of the firm foundation of the literal meaning of Scripture. And that is how faithful Catholics have always interpreted Scripture - witness:

The Epistle of Barnabas (74AD): “Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years… Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.” (Ch. 15)

“There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:9)

Blessed Sr. Anne Catherine Emmerich: “I saw these false computations of the pagan priests at the same time that I beheld Jesus teaching on the Sabbath at Aruma. Jesus, speaking before the Pharisees of the Call of Abraham and his sojourn in Egypt, exposed the errors of the Egyptian calendar. He told them that the world had now existed 4028 years. When I heard Jesus say this, He was Himself thirty one years old.” (1.1.9 - Rev. Schmoger)

“He will revive us after two days [two thousand years]; He will raise us up on the third day, that we may live before Him.” (Hosea 6:2)

Yes, our Lord is right on schedule: the “fig tree” has come back to life, so He is “near, right at the door”, and “this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” (Matt. 24:32-34).

Maranatha!

 

[Lev23]

That really doesn’t help the creationist position. Creationists suffer from reading the bible like an American rather than like an ancient Jew. Understanding the bible includes understanding the cultures that produced it.

I think the point is that Genesis does indeed tell us that God created everything. He did indeed. This is the overarching truth. But there is a linguistic ambiguity in the texts that allows for scientific inquiry to come into play and inform the discussion

Creationists suffer? Anyways when God, the creator of all things spoke to the Hebrews, I don’t think they listened and then pondered out the point and overarching truth. They were about to go into the desert, surviving only on God’s provision. They either believe what God spoke and they followed His commands, or they did not follow them.

Jesus referred to the creation, Noah and the flood, Moses, the exodus,the bronze serpent, Abel as the first prophet being killed, etc. as literal events. We should to.

 

[PaulDupre]

Well we really do not know that for sure. The first thing to look at is Genesis 1 does not appear to be written from man’s perspective. It looks more like from God’s.

Imagine a rolled up tape measure. If you live on the tape measure and look back in time what do you see? However, if you are observing the rolled up tape what do you see?

Uhhhh…tape?

 

[buffalo]

Uhhhh…tape?

C’mon…

Correct you see tape, lots of it. To look back you have to go past every increment (time).

However, if you observe the rolled up tape measure from the outside you see it all compressed and all at once.

 

[PaulDupre]

Good point. But here’s what you’re missing: The Catholic Church builds all spiritual meanings - including the prophetic meaning which you see here, or will see momentarily - on top of the firm foundation of the literal meaning of Scripture. And that is how faithful Catholics have always interpreted Scripture - witness:

The Epistle of Barnabas (74AD): “Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years… Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.” (Ch. 15)

“There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:9)

Blessed Sr. Anne Catherine Emmerich: “I saw these false computations of the pagan priests at the same time that I beheld Jesus teaching on the Sabbath at Aruma. Jesus, speaking before the Pharisees of the Call of Abraham and his sojourn in Egypt, exposed the errors of the Egyptian calendar. He told them that the world had now existed 4028 years. When I heard Jesus say this, He was Himself thirty one years old.” (1.1.9 - Rev. Schmoger)

“He will revive us after two days [two thousand years]; He will raise us up on the third day, that we may live before Him.” (Hosea 6:2)

Yes, our Lord is right on schedule: the “fig tree” has come back to life, so He is “near, right at the door”, and “this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” (Matt. 24:32-34).

Maranatha!

The Epistle of Barnabas is not scripture, and I have serious doubts about the visions of Catherine Emmerich. Neither is part of the deposit of faith, and therefore I am not obliged to accept or believe them. And I don’t.

Science has proven, not theorized but PROVEN, that the earth is far older than 6000 years (more like 11 billion years). I will not put my brain in a jar in order to try to fit reality (or God) into a 6000 year time frame. That is just ridiculous.

What’s going to happen to the faith of people like you when Jesus does not appear on your schedule? Will you abandon faith altogether because you are proven wrong, or will you believe Jesus that no one knows when he will return? Why doesn’t the Catholic Church teach what you are saying? It doesn’t, you know.

The 2nd coming could happen tonight or it could happen 10,000 years from now. I don’t know and neither do you and neither did Barnabas and neither did Catherine Emmerich.

But we’d better be ready all the time. That is the point.

 

[PaulDupre]

C’mon…

Correct you see tape, lots of it. To look back you have to go past every increment (time).

However, if you observe the rolled up tape measure from the outside you see it all compressed and all at once.

Okay, so to God all things are eternally present. What’s your point? How does that prove that the earth is only 6000 years old? There are human cultures unearthed in archaeological digs older than that - way older.

 

[Lev23]

Science has proven, not theorized but PROVEN, that the earth is far older than 6000 years (more like 11 billion years). I will not put my brain in a jar in order to try to fit reality (or God) into a 6000 year time frame. That is just ridiculous.

Consider that Jesus placed the life of Abel close to the creation event.

**Luke 11:50-51
Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. … **

 

[PaulDupre]

Consider that Jesus placed the life of Abel close to the creation event.

**Luke 11:50-51
Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. … **

Ridiculous. What does Abel being the 1st prophet have to do with the age of the earth?

So according to your logic, John Glenn being the first American astronaut must mean that America was founded around 1960. I think there’s a flaw in your logic.

 

[buffalo]

Okay, so to God all things are eternally present. What’s your point? How does that prove that the earth is only 6000 years old? There are human cultures unearthed in archaeological digs older than that - way older.

Now did this require you to put your brain in a jar?

I really hate that argument. I think it is bogus. Stick around for a while and you will quickly see no one is putting their brain in a jar.

 

[Lev23]

Ridiculous. What does Abel being the 1st prophet have to do with the age of the earth?

So according to your logic, John Glenn being the first American astronaut must mean that America was founded around 1960. I think there’s a flaw in your logic.

It is your logic, you are the one who made that connection. Read that passage again and think about it.

 

[Luke65]

The Epistle of Barnabas is not scripture, and I have serious doubts about the visions of Catherine Emmerich. Neither is part of the deposit of faith, and therefore I am not obliged to accept or believe them. And I don’t.

Of course not. If you don’t believe what Moses wrote, why would you believe what “Barnabas”, or the Church Fathers, or Bl. Anne Catherine say? And why would you believe what Jesus says since He said:

“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’” (Mark 10:6)

You’re infallible, and the Son of God was ignorant?

Science has proven, not theorized but PROVEN, that the earth is far older than 6000 years (more like 11 billion years). I will not put my brain in a jar in order to try to fit reality (or God) into a 6000 year time frame. That is just ridiculous.

What’s ridiculous is to see you try to deceive people saying that “Science” has “PROVEN” that the earth is “more like 11 billion years” old. Last time I checked “Science” had “proven” the earth was about 4.6 billion years old, but I confess I haven’t checked in a few weeks or months. But of course, science has proven neither, nor can it.

What’s going to happen to the faith of people like you when Jesus does not appear on your schedule? Will you abandon faith altogether because you are proven wrong, or will you believe Jesus that no one knows when he will return? Why doesn’t the Catholic Church teach what you are saying? It doesn’t, you know.

The 2nd coming could happen tonight or it could happen 10,000 years from now. I don’t know and neither do you and neither did Barnabas and neither did Catherine Emmerich.

But we’d better be ready all the time. That is the point.

Those quotes are all from faithful Catholics, and I could quote many more. I could also quote St. Augustine, who also taught that the earth was less than 6,000 years old based on the “sacred history” in Scripture, but also warned about saying Jesus would return exactly when the earth is 6,000 years old. And his wisdom appears to be true again, since according to Sr. Emmerich the earth recently passed the 6,000 year mark, which is in good agreement with Bishop Usher’s estimate.

But what makes you think I posted any of this for you anyways? I didn’t, it’s for those who have ears to hear - those who put their trust in the Lord, not in the foolish wisdom of the world, and don’t despise prophecy, but listen to God’s holy ones. Those who know that the Word of God proves that the theory of evolution is a lie, and so this latest “evidence”, is simply what it appears to be - a chimpanzee buried in the Flood.

 

[historyb]

Of course not. If you don’t believe what Moses wrote, why would you believe what “Barnabas”, or the Church Fathers, or Bl. Anne Catherine say? And why would you believe what Jesus says since He said:

“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’” (Mark 10:6)

You’re infallible, and the Son of God was ignorant?

What’s ridiculous is to see you try to deceive people saying that “Science” has “PROVEN” that the earth is “more like 11 billion years” old. Last time I checked “Science” had “proven” the earth was about 4.6 billion years old, but I confess I haven’t checked in a few weeks or months. But of course, science has proven neither, nor can it.

Those quotes are all from faithful Catholics, and I could quote many more. I could also quote St. Augustine, who also taught that the earth was less than 6,000 years old based on the “sacred history” in Scripture, but also warned about saying Jesus would return exactly when the earth is 6,000 years old. And his wisdom appears to be true again, since according to Sr. Emmerich the earth recently passed the 6,000 year mark, which is in good agreement with Bishop Usher’s estimate.

But what makes you think I posted any of this for you anyways? I didn’t, it’s for those who have ears to hear - those who put their trust in the Lord, not in the foolish wisdom of the world, and don’t despise prophecy, but listen to God’s holy ones. Those who know that the Word of God proves that the theory of evolution is a lie, and so this latest “evidence”, is simply what it appears to be - a chimpanzee buried in the Flood.

Bravo, great post!