New Missal Poll

[Annabelle_Marie]

In reply to the #7 post:

The new version:

“Lord, I am not worthy
that you should enter under my roof,
but only say the word
and my soul shall be healed.”

is a literal translation of the Latin:

“Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo, et sanabitur anima mea.”

Oh I know where it comes from. It’s just my opinion that it is clunkier then “Lord I am not worthy to receive you”…because literly I am just a few minutes from receiving Him. Having him under my roof…that is going to take some getting used to and will trip me up.

It is just my opinion…but I will comply…

Isn’t most of it just a more literal translation from the Latin?

 

[JHow]

I don’t have voting priveleges yet, so I can’t vote in the poll, but my sense is it is a positive change.

My experience is that of a convert, so I am not comparing to something I heard long ago, but also I frist really started going to mass in a foreign country (Poland) and then came back to the States. My perception, reading the new missal is that the English version will now conform more closely to what I was hearing in the Polish version (for example, saying the creed “I believe…” - the Polish version has been saying that for years). To me this suggests that the new missal is an improvement.

 

[Norval]

Someone explained to me that the “I believe” was added to make the English sentences have and explicit subject. The Latin subject is implied by “et”.

**Credo in unum Deum … **
Et in unum Dominum …
Et in Spiritum Sanctum …
Et unam, sanctam, catholicam …

I do not understand what you mean that the act of contrition was removed. I still see it in Penitential Act, Form A (Confiteor):
usccb.org/romanmissal/samples-people.shtml

Vico,either you misunderstood what the person was explaining or the person was misguided about the meaning of the Latin word “Credo”. “Credo” means “I believe”. To have the Latin version read as we say now in the NO “we believe” the Latin would be “Credimus”.
The new missal is just a better translation of the the traditional Latin Mass.
I would like to see other changes also, however that is a different subject.
Now I can almost use my old 1945 edition daily missal.

God Bless!!!

 

[Vico]

Oh I know where it comes from. It’s just my opinion that it is clunkier then “Lord I am not worthy to receive you”…because literly I am just a few minutes from receiving Him. Having him under my roof…that is going to take some getting used to and will trip me up.

It is just my opinion…but I will comply…

Isn’t most of it just a more literal translation from the Latin?

From Vico,
Notice Luke 7:10 (NAB): “When the messengers returned to the house, they found the slave in good health.”

Jesus did not physically enter under his roof, yet the slave was healed. What Jesus noticed was the great faith of the Centurion. This faith in the healing power of Christ is what is emphasized in this portion of the liturgy.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

Where’s the option for “total disaster”? LOL

 

[Vico]

Vico,either you misunderstood what the person was explaining or the person was misguided about the meaning of the Latin word “Credo”. “Credo” means “I believe”. To have the Latin version read as we say now in the NO “we believe” the Latin would be “Credimus”.
The new missal is just a better translation of the the traditional Latin Mass.
I would like to see other changes also, however that is a different subject.
Now I can almost use my old 1945 edition daily missal.

God Bless!!!

My old St. Joseph’s Sunday Missal has the 1955 changes in it. I would like to see the 1945 text.

You are making me think back to my classic Latin classes. Believe…

I: credo
you: credis
he, she, it: credit
we: credimus
you: creditis
they: credunt

I did not explain it correctly. I mean the change in the English text proposed in 2008 to what was accepted in 2010 which added the “I believe” in three additional places. I was corrected on that.

 

[Norval]

Vico
You made me look. I have the 1945 version of the St. Andrew’s Daily Missal.
It was done by Dom Gaspar LEFEBVRE O. S. B. Looking at the name and the inscription of Pope Pius X got my attention.
I am sure there is no difference between the two editions. This daily missal has the blessing of the salt and the old blessing of the water as it used the blessed salt.
I had better stop this is getting off the thread. Interesting and thought provoking.

God Bless!!!

 

[ASD]

What affect (if any) do you think it will have on the US church?

Hopefully catechesis, but just as likely, a focus point or rallying point for dissent.

Based on my experience in past few years, it’s very hard for me to imagine some priests or congregations doing anything except what they want to do. If they can improvise and innovate to suite themselves with current translation, why not with new translation?

ASD​

Traditional Latin Mass: Translation and Grammar