First they’ll have to write the music. And good music to replace the old and accepted usually can’t be done overnight. Look at the current Glorias. Some of them are good and I would hate having to turn to youtube to hear them.
No, this should be it. These translations should last us for a very long time, especially since they were mandated to correct the problems that occurred with the older ICEL version.
Isn’t that what they thought about changing the original translations when they were “promulgated”?
Eventually there will be a new translation but it is a high priority at this point. Maybe about 10 years down the line. There are other translations of Sacratental rites that ICEL is working on at this time. Also the Lectionary needs to be reworked since the Grail Psalms have been approved for liturgical use. They are used in the LOTH presently.Does anyone know if the new translation will result in a new “Liturgy of the Hours” publication? If some of the Psalm antiphons are changing (as I understand it, that’s what the CDWDS was “assisting” the USCCB with…) then that could be the case.
You can see the web site for my book (in the signature below) to see some excerpts.
I can agree people are unfamiliar with “consubstantial”, but they can quickly become familiar with it, since its definition is quite simple: “with (con-) the substance (substantial)”. But what’s unfamiliar with “that you should enter under my roof”?
Because the current English translation is not very accurate. It often leaves out words and concepts entirely, mistranslates words, and uses bland language. It also fails to make the Scriptural references in the prayers of the Mass stand out (like the “enter under my roof” quote you mentioned).
The reason why the new translations came into being and were mandated by Rome was because what we have right now is faulty. The translations were supposed to be an authentic and true version of what is written in the official Latin version of the Roman Missal. What we have now was the former ICEL’s interpretation and paraphrasing of what the Missal actually says.
As Benedictgal mentioned, “come under my roof” is taken directly from the Gospel (Matt 8:8). It is particularly noteworthy in that that is the one single instance in the Gospels that Christ was AMAZED at someone’s Faith. The centurion, of all the people that Christ encounters, really GETS what it means for Christ to be God. He can cure anyone from anywhere. No one else got that.
My keyboard is one in being with the Father, but it not consubstantial with the Father.The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments is in charge of the regulation of the liturgy. There was a very different method of translation in use in the 60’s and 70’s, one of “dynamic equivalence”. Unfortunately, it resulted in an inaccurate English translation that often failed to capture the theological depth and poetry of the Latin text. Now, that might not be such a big deal if each translation were its own Rite, but the English translation of the Roman Missal is the same Rite as the Latin Rite, just in the vernacular.
It’s not just a matter of “rephras[ing]” things, but translating them properly: words will no longer be dropped out (like “holy” in “the good of all his holy Church”) or mistranslated (like “was incarnate of the Virgin Mary” in place of the old “was born of the Virgin Mary”).
The words we will say will be more closely aligned to the mystery and majesty of the faith we believe.
IMHO - I think it would be beneficial is someone, preferably a cleric with liturgical authority, explain each change in the new translation for the Mass. I think that people will have far fewer quibbles with the new translations IF they are given the reasons for them. To just say, what we had was bad and what we now are giving you is better doesn’t promote and advance my understanding. Even if I personally don’t like a particular translation, I will at least understand the reason for the change and be able to better come to grips with the new wording.
Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo et sanabitur anima mea. That is, “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”
The Greek word is homoousious (and the Latin word is consubstantialem). That Greek word has a tremendous history behind it, and it came out of the early Church councils which sought to clarify exactly what the Church believes about WHO Jesus is. Jesus, the Son of God, is of the same (Divine) substance as God the Father. It’s a very precise word, and it says exactly what the Church believes. (Substance and nature are not strictly identical, by the way. Jesus has both a divine and human nature, but His substance is completely divine; our substance is completely human, and we have a human nature now, but at the resurrection we will share God’s divine nature, but not His substance.) Because we believe Jesus has the same substance as God the Father, that means Jesus is God.
I’m not a cleric and have no authority, but I have been working on compiling catechetical explanations for the new translation; I annotate them as best I can.
Genuine repentance is hard to come back in the language of our day. The repetition of this admission of guilt adds to its severity. We do not say “The devil made me do it, the devil made me do it, you can bet the devil made me do it,” but accuse only ourselves for our sins.
I’m afraid that Advent of this year is too optimistic. We just received our weekly letter from our bishop who, as a former member of the ICEL team involved with this translation, was heading to the US for meetings on this subject. In his letter he indicated that the Missal is due to be promulgated in late 2011 – so Advent 2011 is a more likely target.
I think this is one case where “dynamic equivalency” may be beneficial; however, as you pointed out since we are participants of the Latin Rite - we need a more literal translation of the Mass to demonstrate consistency within all who participate in that rite. I think that is only logical; and that is why I submit to the authority of the Church - I don’t have to like everything – my point is that if I have an understanding of the reasons for the changes it will help me more easily, or even agree with, the changes and my submission to them. However, for me to say “my fault, my fault, my own grievous fault” will have a feeling of being “hokey”.
However, the new prefect for the CDWDS indicated that the target date was Advent 2010. He seems to be a little more heavy-handed than Cardinal Arinze was.