New Missal

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Anyone know when a copy of the new translation will be available and through whom?

My old one will be outdated soon 😦

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If you mean the recently approved changes to the Novus Ordo - I believe you can already see them online at the USCCB website. When they will be available in missal form, however, will be largely dependent upon when the USCCB decides to implement the approved changes. As far as I know, there’s not been a specific date mentioned as of yet.

I’ve heard there is a revision of the 1962 missal. If that is what you are referencing - I have no idea.
 
Letchitsa1 said:
If you mean the recently approved changes to the Novus Ordo - I believe you can already see them online at the USCCB website. When they will be available in missal form, however, will be largely dependent upon when the USCCB decides to implement the approved changes. As far as I know, there’s not been a specific date mentioned as of yet.

I’ve heard there is a revision of the 1962 missal. If that is what you are referencing - I have no idea.
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Yeah, what I want is a missal of the revised translation of the ordinary form. The 1962 missal is on my wishlist, but much lower in priority.

The latest word, AFIK, is late 2011. I am just waiting for a print version.

Thanks,

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this is what i think about the new Missal…

if the Pope and all the Bishops (especially the Bishop of my Archdiocese) say this is the new Missal we will use, then i will accept it and use it gladly
 
I was talking to our priest (OF) yesterday and he told me that the publishers are just now receiving the final drafts and publication will begin “soon”. Official seminars for priests, bishops, parish officials, choir directors, etc will vary from diocese to diocese. In Seattle the date is late September 2010.

Instruction materials will be distributed during the winter with catechesis to begin in parishes probably during Lent 2011 and full implementation by Advent of 2011.

England (UK) will get to see the missal this fall or earlier with a debut this summer with Benedict XVI.

So that is the extent of my intel. (not worth much)
 
corsair said:
I was talking to our priest (OF) yesterday and he told me that the publishers are just now receiving the final drafts and publication will begin “soon”. Official seminars for priests, bishops, parish officials, choir directors, etc will vary from diocese to diocese. In Seattle the date is late September 2010.

Instruction materials will be distributed during the winter with catechesis to begin in parishes probably during Lent 2011 and full implementation by Advent of 2011.

England (UK) will get to see the missal this fall or earlier with a debut this summer with Benedict XVI.

So that is the extent of my intel. (not worth much)
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The Ordinary of the Mass has already been out for some two years, though. It was released as a PDF to give the faithful and composers time to learn the new texts.
 
dmorgan said:
Please let me know what you think of the changes.
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From the comments in the articles,
Although I have little hope that we will prevail, I sign in order to be with all those who cherish Vatican II and wish with all my heart that the vision of John XXIII will survive. However, realistically, I expect that the power-hungry Vatican Mafia will prevail . . . .
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Actually John XXIII insisted on Latin with NO vernacular (Veterum Sapientia).
If the English does not conform to the Latin change the Latin. English is the new Vulgate.
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A very self-serving attitude if I ever heard one.
 
I have to admit that I didn’t read all of the Eucharistic Prayers, just the first one, but I really like the new translation. It heightens the sense of God as Lord of the Universe without lessening the sense of God as Advocate. (When God is Advocate but not All-Powerful, IMHO it waters down to God is my friend, and friend with small-case “f”.)

I think it also heightens the sense that our offenses are not trivial in their import, which IMHO increases both compassion and our belief that salvation is real. For if there are sins and then there are sins, those who don’t “really sin” don’t really have to be compassionate on those who do, while those who do “really sin” have less reason to hope that God’s mercy is meant for them as much as for anyone. Seen in that way, a wording that leans pretty hard on what our sins really are decreases the degree to which “we are all sinners” is just so much parrot talk. It forces us to confront the reality of that statement, and that is a good thing.

Yet the new translation accomplishes this with suprisingly few and subtle changes. This is nothing remotely like the change that Catholics went through when the OF was introduced. These are minor tweaks, in the big picture…I mean, there is a lot of bang for the buck.

I’m looking forward to these changes.
 
benedictgal said:
The Ordinary of the Mass has already been out for some two years, though. It was released as a PDF to give the faithful and composers time to learn the new texts.
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Well, yes, but that’s kind of a moot point because until Rome approves it via a Recognitio we really don’t know what the actual texts are.

Even the USCCB web site notes that the final texts are pending to this spring: usccb.org/romanmissal/index.shtml

This is one of the pastoral challenges, I think, to this change, in that the actual final text is only known a little more than a year before it’s supposed to be implemented. Still, that’s likely better than the way the post-Vatican II changes were handled.
 
The Recognito was issued April 29, 2010. So its approved boys and girls.
 
corsair said:
The Recognito was issued April 29, 2010. So its approved boys and girls.
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Right. Hardly “some two years ago” so there’s a lot of pastoral work to do in order to prepare for implementation.
 
choy said:
this is what i think about the new Missal…

if the Pope and all the Bishops (especially the Bishop of my Archdiocese) say this is the new Missal we will use, then i will accept it and use it gladly
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What if your Bishop was not in favor of the changes? For example, BIshop Trautmann of Erie PA has been quite vocal in his objections. Would you still follow it? Or would you follow your bishop?
 
ProVobis said:
Actually John XXIII insisted on Latin with NO vernacular (Veterum Sapientia).
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That’s not the point of Veterum Sapientia. Did you read it? Not only was it written before Vatican II (and so, needs to be interpreted in light of Vatican II, and not vice versa) but the simple fact is that not all seminarians today know Latin (which some might read as contradicting what John XXIII taught in this constitution).

This Constitution was about the preservation and value of Latin, not about denying the importance and value of the vernacular (which, again, Latin was at one point in the Church’s history).
 
You mean this part?
Preservation of Latin by the Holy See
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For these reasons the Apostolic See has always been at pains to preserve Latin, deeming it worthy of being used in the exercise of her teaching authority "as the splendid vesture of her heavenly doctrine and sacred laws."5 She further requires her sacred ministers to use it, for by so doing they are the better able, wherever they may be, to acquaint themselves with the mind of the Holy See on any matter, and communicate the more easily with Rome and with one another.
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Thus the “knowledge and use of this language,” so intimately bound up with the Church’s life, "is important not so much on cultural or literary grounds, as for religious reasons."6 These are the words of Our Predecessor Pius XI, who conducted a scientific inquiry into this whole subject, and indicated three qualities of the Latin language which harmonize to a remarkable degree with the Church’s nature. "For the Church, precisely because it embraces all nations and is destined to endure to the end of time … of its very nature requires a language which is universal, immutable, and non-vernacular."7
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or this part?
Immutable
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Furthermore, the Church’s language must be not only universal but also immutable. Modern languages are liable to change, and no single one of them is superior to the others in authority. Thus if the truths of the Catholic Church were entrusted to an unspecified number of them, the meaning of these truths, varied as they are, would not be manifested to everyone with sufficient clarity and precision. There would, moreover, be no language which could serve as a common and constant norm by which to gauge the exact meaning of other renderings.
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But Latin is indeed such a language. It is set and unchanging. it has long since ceased to be affected by those alterations in the meaning of words which are the normal result of daily, popular use. Certain Latin words, it is true, acquired new meanings as Christian teaching developed and needed to be explained and defended, but these new meanings have long since become accepted and firmly established.
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Non-vernacular
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Finally, the Catholic Church has a dignity far surpassing that of every merely human society, for it was founded by Christ the Lord. It is altogether fitting, therefore, that the language it uses should be noble, majestic, and non-vernacular.
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In addition, the Latin language "can be called truly catholic."10 It has been consecrated through constant use by the Apostolic See, the mother and teacher of all Churches, and must be esteemed "a treasure … of incomparable worth."11. It is a general passport to the proper understanding of the Christian writers of antiquity and the documents of the Church’s teaching.12 It is also a most effective bond, binding the Church of today with that of the past and of the future in wonderful continuity.
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This was all written just several months before John XXIII convened Vatican II. Some say he set these as ground rules for the council.
 
the simple fact is that not all seminarians today know Latin (which some might read as contradicting what John XXIII taught in this constitution).
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Not only that but also in apparent violation of Canon 249 which is still in effect.
 
diggerdomer said:
What if your Bishop was not in favor of the changes? For example, BIshop Trautmann of Erie PA has been quite vocal in his objections. Would you still follow it? Or would you follow your bishop?
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Hmmm. If I know our archbishop, he would speak up if he didn’t agree when that was within his office–I suspect he’d speak to Rome directly or within discussions of the USCCB, not publicly–but when all was said and done, he’d also see that we did what Rome deemed we ought to do. I know others might not do likewise, but how can a bishop expect to have authority in his diocese when he is insubordinate himself?

The faithful have to follow Rome, and let Rome know if their bishop isn’t do so. Having said that, the obligation to participate at Mass remains even if the bishop isn’t ensuring that Masses are being said according to Hoyle. Their bishop deserves that the faithful in his diocese who have concerns work with him first, too, and only after he fails to take care of a situation to seek help beyond him…IMHO, though I know some don’t agree with that.

It is a bit like being an adult student at a university, where you talk to the professor first, then talk to the dean, then go on up, and a bit like being in a family…family because we’re not consumers, but are members of one Body. We have to remember we’re dealing with fellow human beings who are in need of mercy, too, and not with cogs in a machine.
 
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