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Anyone know when a copy of the new translation will be available and through whom?
My old one will be outdated soon
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My old one will be outdated soon
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Yeah, what I want is a missal of the revised translation of the ordinary form. The 1962 missal is on my wishlist, but much lower in priority.If you mean the recently approved changes to the Novus Ordo - I believe you can already see them online at the USCCB website. When they will be available in missal form, however, will be largely dependent upon when the USCCB decides to implement the approved changes. As far as I know, there’s not been a specific date mentioned as of yet.
I’ve heard there is a revision of the 1962 missal. If that is what you are referencing - I have no idea.
The Ordinary of the Mass has already been out for some two years, though. It was released as a PDF to give the faithful and composers time to learn the new texts.I was talking to our priest (OF) yesterday and he told me that the publishers are just now receiving the final drafts and publication will begin “soon”. Official seminars for priests, bishops, parish officials, choir directors, etc will vary from diocese to diocese. In Seattle the date is late September 2010.
Instruction materials will be distributed during the winter with catechesis to begin in parishes probably during Lent 2011 and full implementation by Advent of 2011.
England (UK) will get to see the missal this fall or earlier with a debut this summer with Benedict XVI.
So that is the extent of my intel. (not worth much)
usccb.org/romanmissal/OrdoMissaeWhiteBook.pdfAnyone know when a copy of the new translation will be available and through whom?
My old one will be outdated soon
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Is there a source for this?I’ve heard there is a revision of the 1962 missal.
From the comments in the articles,Please let me know what you think of the changes.
Actually John XXIII insisted on Latin with NO vernacular (Veterum Sapientia).Although I have little hope that we will prevail, I sign in order to be with all those who cherish Vatican II and wish with all my heart that the vision of John XXIII will survive. However, realistically, I expect that the power-hungry Vatican Mafia will prevail . . . .
A very self-serving attitude if I ever heard one.If the English does not conform to the Latin change the Latin. English is the new Vulgate.
Well, yes, but that’s kind of a moot point because until Rome approves it via a Recognitio we really don’t know what the actual texts are.The Ordinary of the Mass has already been out for some two years, though. It was released as a PDF to give the faithful and composers time to learn the new texts.
Right. Hardly “some two years ago” so there’s a lot of pastoral work to do in order to prepare for implementation.The Recognito was issued April 29, 2010. So its approved boys and girls.
What if your Bishop was not in favor of the changes? For example, BIshop Trautmann of Erie PA has been quite vocal in his objections. Would you still follow it? Or would you follow your bishop?this is what i think about the new Missal…
if the Pope and all the Bishops (especially the Bishop of my Archdiocese) say this is the new Missal we will use, then i will accept it and use it gladly
That’s not the point of Veterum Sapientia. Did you read it? Not only was it written before Vatican II (and so, needs to be interpreted in light of Vatican II, and not vice versa) but the simple fact is that not all seminarians today know Latin (which some might read as contradicting what John XXIII taught in this constitution).Actually John XXIII insisted on Latin with NO vernacular (Veterum Sapientia).
Preservation of Latin by the Holy See
For these reasons the Apostolic See has always been at pains to preserve Latin, deeming it worthy of being used in the exercise of her teaching authority "as the splendid vesture of her heavenly doctrine and sacred laws."5 She further requires her sacred ministers to use it, for by so doing they are the better able, wherever they may be, to acquaint themselves with the mind of the Holy See on any matter, and communicate the more easily with Rome and with one another.
or this part?Thus the “knowledge and use of this language,” so intimately bound up with the Church’s life, "is important not so much on cultural or literary grounds, as for religious reasons."6 These are the words of Our Predecessor Pius XI, who conducted a scientific inquiry into this whole subject, and indicated three qualities of the Latin language which harmonize to a remarkable degree with the Church’s nature. "For the Church, precisely because it embraces all nations and is destined to endure to the end of time … of its very nature requires a language which is universal, immutable, and non-vernacular."7
Immutable
Furthermore, the Church’s language must be not only universal but also immutable. Modern languages are liable to change, and no single one of them is superior to the others in authority. Thus if the truths of the Catholic Church were entrusted to an unspecified number of them, the meaning of these truths, varied as they are, would not be manifested to everyone with sufficient clarity and precision. There would, moreover, be no language which could serve as a common and constant norm by which to gauge the exact meaning of other renderings.
But Latin is indeed such a language. It is set and unchanging. it has long since ceased to be affected by those alterations in the meaning of words which are the normal result of daily, popular use. Certain Latin words, it is true, acquired new meanings as Christian teaching developed and needed to be explained and defended, but these new meanings have long since become accepted and firmly established.
Non-vernacular
Finally, the Catholic Church has a dignity far surpassing that of every merely human society, for it was founded by Christ the Lord. It is altogether fitting, therefore, that the language it uses should be noble, majestic, and non-vernacular.
This was all written just several months before John XXIII convened Vatican II. Some say he set these as ground rules for the council.In addition, the Latin language "can be called truly catholic."10 It has been consecrated through constant use by the Apostolic See, the mother and teacher of all Churches, and must be esteemed "a treasure … of incomparable worth."11. It is a general passport to the proper understanding of the Christian writers of antiquity and the documents of the Church’s teaching.12 It is also a most effective bond, binding the Church of today with that of the past and of the future in wonderful continuity.
Not only that but also in apparent violation of Canon 249 which is still in effect.the simple fact is that not all seminarians today know Latin (which some might read as contradicting what John XXIII taught in this constitution).
Yep. Apparently.Not only that but also in apparent violation of Canon 249 which is still in effect.
Hmmm. If I know our archbishop, he would speak up if he didn’t agree when that was within his office–I suspect he’d speak to Rome directly or within discussions of the USCCB, not publicly–but when all was said and done, he’d also see that we did what Rome deemed we ought to do. I know others might not do likewise, but how can a bishop expect to have authority in his diocese when he is insubordinate himself?What if your Bishop was not in favor of the changes? For example, BIshop Trautmann of Erie PA has been quite vocal in his objections. Would you still follow it? Or would you follow your bishop?