New Missal

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i am someone who was received into the Catholic Church in 2008, and i am really looking forward to the new translation. it does seem more reverent and i believe it is a positive step. my only complaint is that we can’t begin using the new Missal sooner.
 
i also had heard that it would not be put into use until advent of 2011.
 
i also had heard that it would not be put into use until advent of 2011.
I surely hope so; I was looking around on the official site of the new Missal and I couldn’t find a set date as to when we can expect it to be put into use. A year and a half seems like no time at all 🙂
 
I surely hope so; I was looking around on the official site of the new Missal and I couldn’t find a set date as to when we can expect it to be put into use. A year and a half seems like no time at all 🙂
I just wish that it could be this Advent. Somehow I think that the publshing houses are trying to delay this implementation.
 
I just wish that it could be this Advent. Somehow I think that the publshing houses are trying to delay this implementation.
i agree with you. i wish we only had to wait until advent 2010 also. i don’t know anything about the publishing houses.
 
The publishers & printers will need time for their draft copies to be very thoroughly proof read and that will take some time. I don’t mind waiting until advent 2011.

Cheers

PS: Advent 2011 is probably the date for introduction in Australia.
 
The publishers & printers will need time for their draft copies to be very thoroughly proof read and that will take some time. I don’t mind waiting until advent 2011.

Cheers

PS: Advent 2011 is probably the date for introduction in Australia.
I could buy that excuse if we lived during the 1970s; however, in this day and age, with all of the technological advancements, it should not take this long.
 
I could buy that excuse if we lived during the 1970s; however, in this day and age, with all of the technological advancements, it should not take this long.
As a professional historian who routinely reviews and proofs history books for publishing houses all the time as part of my job, I can tell you that a year and a half, believe it or not, would be a lightning fast turn around time. Most books go through DOZENS of drafts and have DOZENS of editors commenting on them. Each time an edit is made, it must be sent back to the author for their approval, and then it goes back, and on and on. Decisions about paper, artwork, typesetting, the cover, and so on all have to be made. It took me almost 4 months just to get the copyright back from my dissertation alone (government red tape, of course)! Photos might have to be cleared. Maps need to be created. All of this is done on other people’s timetables, not yours. It is a shockingly complicated process.
 
As a professional historian who routinely reviews and proofs history books for publishing houses all the time as part of my job, I can tell you that a year and a half, believe it or not, would be a lightning fast turn around time. Most books go through DOZENS of drafts and have DOZENS of editors commenting on them. Each time an edit is made, it must be sent back to the author for their approval, and then it goes back, and on and on. Decisions about paper, artwork, typesetting, the cover, and so on all have to be made. It took me almost 4 months just to get the copyright back from my dissertation alone (government red tape, of course)! Photos might have to be cleared. Maps need to be created. All of this is done on other people’s timetables, not yours. It is a shockingly complicated process.
With all due respect, I could buy that argument, but, the Ordinary has already been out for nearly two years. Second, the text is pretty much already printed. It has already been edited by the folks who need to do that, the CDWDS and ICEL. Thus, it should not take that long to do.
 
With all due respect, I could buy that argument, but, the Ordinary has already been out for nearly two years. Second, the text is pretty much already printed. It has already been edited by the folks who need to do that, the CDWDS and ICEL. Thus, it should not take that long to do.
Remember that Rome is still editing. My understanding is that there are some things that were in two or more books and they must be edited to make sure that the books contain the exact same translation.

I know how long it took for our new Lectionary to be ready and we were just dealing with one country. You never know what will happen between the ordering and the printing.
 
With all due respect, I could buy that argument, but, the Ordinary has already been out for nearly two years. Second, the text is pretty much already printed. It has already been edited by the folks who need to do that, the CDWDS and ICEL. Thus, it should not take that long to do.
Perhaps, but there’s also the Mass arrangements that need to be created. Most churches don’t just go out and buy missals. They buy missals that have songs and arrangements in them as well. It’s going to take a year and a half more before the volume of arrangements is sufficient to warrant publishing and purchasing these books, not to mention the thousands of dollars it will cost churches to replace hundreds or perhaps thousands of old pew missals. Churches will have to raise funds to buy these new missals remember.

And, if you don’t buy that argument, let me give you another. Advent is the perfect time to start the use of a new missal, because the liturgical year starts over. The question is… could you have quality missals on the shelves, purchased, shipped, and ready to go with all the arrangements by November 28 of this year? Figure about three to four months to print, about eight to ten weeks for shipping, and you’re already cutting it close, and that’s assuming that every last item was set to go today.
 
Remember that Rome is still editing. My understanding is that there are some things that were in two or more books and they must be edited to make sure that the books contain the exact same translation.

I know how long it took for our new Lectionary to be ready and we were just dealing with one country. You never know what will happen between the ordering and the printing.
However, I read that the UK is getting something ready because it seems that the Holy Father will be unveiling the new translation when he goes over there in September.

The editing should not take that long.
 
Anyone know when a copy of the new translation will be available and through whom?

My old one will be outdated soon 😦

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I assume the calendar pages run out, the missal won’t be outdated until the new translation is actually implemented. I just check the Parish Calendar (Ordo) for the upcoming week since my missal has been beyond its calendar for a couple of years.
 
However, I read that the UK is getting something ready because it seems that the Holy Father will be unveiling the new translation when he goes over there in September.

The editing should not take that long.
Of course, there’s a difference in producing a pamphlet or bulletin with the text for a special event or a Mass with the pope, and an entirely new bound missal…
 
Perhaps, but there’s also the Mass arrangements that need to be created. Most churches don’t just go out and buy missals. They buy missals that have songs and arrangements in them as well. It’s going to take a year and a half more before the volume of arrangements is sufficient to warrant publishing and purchasing these books, not to mention the thousands of dollars it will cost churches to replace hundreds or perhaps thousands of old pew missals. Churches will have to raise funds to buy these new missals remember.

And, if you don’t buy that argument, let me give you another. Advent is the perfect time to start the use of a new missal, because the liturgical year starts over. The question is… could you have quality missals on the shelves, purchased, shipped, and ready to go with all the arrangements by November 28 of this year? Figure about three to four months to print, about eight to ten weeks for shipping, and you’re already cutting it close, and that’s assuming that every last item was set to go today.
ICEL already has settings for the new translations. ICEL has already set the Gloria, the Sanctus, the Memorial Acclamations and the like using the new translations. Even the Credo and the EPs have been set. Furthermore, lamentably, OCP iand GIA are already releasing study texts of the revised settings with the new translations. Advent 2010 is still a good time.

The Ordinary of the Mass was released back in 2008 precisely to give the composers time to write or rewrite the settings using the new translations. The Ordinary was also released to prepare the faithful.
 
I think what’s going on, to be frank, is that everyone’s trying to buy about a year for catechesis because of the debacle that went on in South Africa with the early use of the new translation. Better to be a bit slow and have everything go smooth than rush things by a few months and make an even greater mess.
 
I think what’s going on, to be frank, is that everyone’s trying to buy about a year for catechesis because of the debacle that went on in South Africa with the early use of the new translation. Better to be a bit slow and have everything go smooth than rush things by a few months and make an even greater mess.
The Catechesis should not take that long, especially if the Ordinary has already been out for nearly two years. It just seems like those who do not want the translations will use every excuse to try and delay the inevitable.

Here are the settings that ICEL released:

icelweb.org/musicfolder/openpdf.php?file=Gloria.pdf
icelweb.org/musicfolder/openpdf.php?file=PrefaceDialogue.pdf
icelweb.org/musicfolder/openpdf.php?file=Sanctus.pdf
icelweb.org/musicfolder/openpdf.php?file=MemorialAcclamation.pdf
icelweb.org/musicfolder/openpdf.php?file=EuchPrayer1Sol.pdf
icelweb.org/musicfolder/openpdf.php?file=EuchPrayer2.pdf
icelweb.org/musicfolder/openpdf.php?file=EuchPrayer3.pdf
icelweb.org/musicfolder/openpdf.php?file=EuchPrayer4.pdf

Evidently, these will be included in the Roman Missal.
 
However, I read that the UK is getting something ready because it seems that the Holy Father will be unveiling the new translation when he goes over there in September.

The editing should not take that long.
But then you’ll be dealing with all the different adaptations of the GIRM (remember, this will be Canada’s first time dealing with the ‘new’ GIRM) and we still don’t know if there will be national adaptions to the Missal as there were with the second edition. Then each country will be using its own printers, who will typeset a Missal which will then have to be edited to make sure there are no errors, etc, etc. The logistics of this are way more complicated than people think.
 
But then you’ll be dealing with all the different adaptations of the GIRM (remember, this will be Canada’s first time dealing with the ‘new’ GIRM) and we still don’t know if there will be national adaptions to the Missal as there were with the second edition. Then each country will be using its own printers, who will typeset a Missal which will then have to be edited to make sure there are no errors, etc, etc. The logistics of this are way more complicated than people think.
Agreed. If you’ve never had first hand experience in dealing with a publishing company, you have no idea how many reasons they can come up with or decisions that have to be made that can affect how fast they can print something. It’s simply mind-boggling.
 
The Ordinary of the Mass was released back in 2008 precisely to give the composers time to write or rewrite the settings using the new translations. The Ordinary was also released to prepare the faithful.
Raise your hand all of you whose parish was ‘prepared’ before this latest recognitio?

Thought so. The USCCB had the Ordinary of the Mass on their website but the CCCB didn’t. In fact, there’s hardly been any mention of it from the CCCB until now. They were probably more involved with the Lectionary than the Missal which, as I understand, they voted on as one complete book, not piecemeal as most other conferences did.
 
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