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Baloo
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May God bless him with understanding, so that he may heal the schism between the Church.
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Matariel
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Well, technically there is no schism “between the Church”-- there is just a group of bishops in the East which have separated from the Church.May God bless him with understanding, so that he may heal the schism between the Church.
They will reunite one day, although I know no when.
The Protestants as a whole will either die out or reunite eventually.
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Ghosty
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I think the previous poster meant the “Churches”, which would be accurate, since the Eastern Orthodox are considered Churches by the Catholic Church. They’re just regarded as having “imperfect Communion” with the One, Catholic Church.
Peace and God bless!
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Baloo
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Well, I meant between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches, and I should have put “help heal” instead of heal in there.
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Matariel
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Okay, that’s what I thought.
Also “Roman” Catholic is a slang. to call the Church the “Roman Catholic Church” leaves out the Eastern rites of the Church and also it was a term concocted in the 1600’s by Anglicans to support the branch theory, i.e., the false notion that the Church has three branches, the “Roman” (Catholic) the English (Anglican) and the Eastern (Orthodox).
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AntiNovusOrdo
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The Orthodox assemblies and Protestant assemblies will never enter into the bosom of Holy Mother Church until all of the Bishops of the world in union with the Holy Father consecrates Russia to the immaculate heart of Mary. Unless this happens, all talk of unity remains just an empty dream.
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Formosus
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Yes because private apparitions are what determine everything involving the Catholic Church and our Orthodox brothers and sisters. 
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AntiNovusOrdo
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Fatima may be a private revelation, but it is no ordinary one. The events surrounding Fatima in 1917 put this apparition in a class all its own due to the fact that 70,000 people(believers,agnostics,atheists and masons) witnessed the incredible miracle of the sun. It was as if God was trying to get the attention of the whole world to pay special attention to the messages given by Mary. Some of the Popes of the 20th century took this particular apparition seriously enough(John Paul II included) to obey to the best of their ability Our Ladys request to make this consecration. Apparently they thought enough of this private revelation to go through the effort to do this consecration, albeit in an imperfect way. It may surprise you to know that Poland back in the 40’s consecrated their country to the immaculate heart of Mary and as a consequence the communists withdrew from their country peacefully. What harm can there be in doing the simple request Our Lady commanded? We have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
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Baloo
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True, but I wasn’t leaving out the other branches. But the Pope and the Patriarch have excommunicated each other, that’s for sure.
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surritter
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From my understanding, Roman Catholic Church is perfectly fine – that term does not exclude Eastern-rite Catholics. Roman Catholic is the top-level term, and it is then divided into Latin-rite Catholics (which is the majority of Catholics) and the Eastern rites.
Perhaps the term was popularized by Anglicans as you say, but my point is that in present usage, Roman Catholic and Latin Catholic are not the same terms.
Perhaps the term was popularized by Anglicans as you say, but my point is that in present usage, Roman Catholic and Latin Catholic are not the same terms.
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Formosus
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No they aren’t technically, but in any western country they are the term for latin Catholics. If you went to somewhere like Turkey or the middle east and said you were a “Roman Catholic” they would assume you were either Melkite or Antiochene Orthodox. Since those were the Christians whom were part of the Roman Empire and the later Turkish “Rum Millet”. I would say “Byzantine” Christians have a much greater claim to the title of Roman since we faithfully uphold the traditions of the Christianity during the time of the Empire itself. Today though, due to the conventions of speech, the Latin Christians are Roman, and the Greek-rite Christians are Byzantine. Roman is practically synonymous with Latin for all practical purposes.
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Aramis
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The Term Roman Catholic Church is comparable to Etheopian Catholic Church, Malabar Catholic Church, or Romanian Greek-Catholic Church… each is a specific church sui iuris.
The Catholic Church or the Holy Catholic Church are far more universal in scope.
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Volodymyr
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This white head covering is called kukol’ from Latin language of kapushon. This kukol’ was head covering worn by children in Roman empire and then by Egyptian monks. Green plasch is called a mantija. He is holding a rod called a zhezl.
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Baloo
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That is true, but just for the sake of making things clear between the Schism and not confusing, I referred to it as the Roman Catholic Church.
I don’t really know a lot about the different sects of the Catholic church unfortunately, other than the fact that they exist. Pardon my ignorance…
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Matariel
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There are no sects in the Catholic Church. There are different jurisdictions and rites, but there is only One Catholic Church.I don’t really know a lot about the different sects of the Catholic church unfortunately, other than the fact that they exist. Pardon my ignorance…
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Aramis
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It would be the same as calling the Eastern Orthodox Communion the “Greek Orthodox Church” and meaning to include the Russians and Serbians… both simply wrong, as well as blatantly inaccurate on its face.That is true, but just for the sake of making things clear between the Schism and not confusing, I referred to it as the Roman Catholic Church.
I don’t really know a lot about the different sects of the Catholic church unfortunately, other than the fact that they exist. Pardon my ignorance…
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rah2009
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This is my second post on the forum. It is good to be here. I just want to address the issue of proper terminology in regard to the Eastern Catholic Churches.
The “Catholic Communion of Churches” is the umbrella term, more in line with the New Code of Canon Law for both the Eastern and Latin Churches, to use instead of “Roman Catholic Church” for all the autonomous Churches or sui iuris ritual Churches united to the See of Peter in Vatican City, Italy. Each autonomous Church, 22 currently exist–although more could be added later, is identified by a common Rite, spirituality, law, customary, manner of expressing the Dogmas and doctrines of the Universal Church, hierarchy, style, and discipline. This new concept of communio ecclesiology is innovative per the new Code of Canons, Eastern and Latin. Previous to the First and Second Vatican Councils the Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches were referred to as rites of the Catholic Church, meaning rites of the Church of Rome or Papal rites–since all rites had to be approved and redacted by the Pope and the Curia. The Eastern Catholics who formed communities after the unions, were not seen as autonomous Churches in their own right at the time of their respective professions of faith–they were placed under the jurisdiction of Latin bishops and viewed as Latin Catholic faithful who desire to retain their previous Byzantine, or as they called it then, Greek Rite.
If one is more a Latin traditionalist they might view the Eastern Catholic Churches in the previous model of Church as rites of Rome, not necessarily of the Latin Church, but rather rites that are ratified by the Pope of Rome. This is evidenced by the corrections to the Eastern ritual texts after the unias–today we call these “corrections” latinizations–because Latin theology was seen, and in many cases is seen, as THE Universal Catholic theological mold that all theologies and spiritualities must conform to. If one is more in line with the latest Code of Canons that person sees these autonomous Churches in the context of communion with the Pope of Rome who presides in Caritas or Charity, and is the point of unity. There are many gradations of how Catholics view the Eastern Catholic Churches, but the law of the Church determines officially their status and ours. So, today, if one is in communion with Pope Benedict XVI the use of the old terms, i.e. rites of the Roman Catholic Church, is not allowed. We are in a Communion of Catholic Churches united to the Pope of Rome, the Latin Church is only one, albeit the largest, all being equal no matter the size of the ritual Church. This issue of name identification is important and the use of a proper name for a Church is the same for using the proper name for a person. When you meet a man named Chad and you keep calling him Mike, he might forgive the mistake one or two times, but after a while he can get kind of perturbed. We want to use the right terminology for Churches–usually what members of those Churches call themselves–not what we think they should be called or what the older Church documents call them–when they have been superceded by the New Law of the Church.
Hope this helps,
Sincerely,
Robert
The “Catholic Communion of Churches” is the umbrella term, more in line with the New Code of Canon Law for both the Eastern and Latin Churches, to use instead of “Roman Catholic Church” for all the autonomous Churches or sui iuris ritual Churches united to the See of Peter in Vatican City, Italy. Each autonomous Church, 22 currently exist–although more could be added later, is identified by a common Rite, spirituality, law, customary, manner of expressing the Dogmas and doctrines of the Universal Church, hierarchy, style, and discipline. This new concept of communio ecclesiology is innovative per the new Code of Canons, Eastern and Latin. Previous to the First and Second Vatican Councils the Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches were referred to as rites of the Catholic Church, meaning rites of the Church of Rome or Papal rites–since all rites had to be approved and redacted by the Pope and the Curia. The Eastern Catholics who formed communities after the unions, were not seen as autonomous Churches in their own right at the time of their respective professions of faith–they were placed under the jurisdiction of Latin bishops and viewed as Latin Catholic faithful who desire to retain their previous Byzantine, or as they called it then, Greek Rite.
If one is more a Latin traditionalist they might view the Eastern Catholic Churches in the previous model of Church as rites of Rome, not necessarily of the Latin Church, but rather rites that are ratified by the Pope of Rome. This is evidenced by the corrections to the Eastern ritual texts after the unias–today we call these “corrections” latinizations–because Latin theology was seen, and in many cases is seen, as THE Universal Catholic theological mold that all theologies and spiritualities must conform to. If one is more in line with the latest Code of Canons that person sees these autonomous Churches in the context of communion with the Pope of Rome who presides in Caritas or Charity, and is the point of unity. There are many gradations of how Catholics view the Eastern Catholic Churches, but the law of the Church determines officially their status and ours. So, today, if one is in communion with Pope Benedict XVI the use of the old terms, i.e. rites of the Roman Catholic Church, is not allowed. We are in a Communion of Catholic Churches united to the Pope of Rome, the Latin Church is only one, albeit the largest, all being equal no matter the size of the ritual Church. This issue of name identification is important and the use of a proper name for a Church is the same for using the proper name for a person. When you meet a man named Chad and you keep calling him Mike, he might forgive the mistake one or two times, but after a while he can get kind of perturbed. We want to use the right terminology for Churches–usually what members of those Churches call themselves–not what we think they should be called or what the older Church documents call them–when they have been superceded by the New Law of the Church.
Hope this helps,
Sincerely,
Robert
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Aramis
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Well said, Robert!
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rah2009
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Slava Isusu Christu!
It took me years to learn this proper notion of communio. Tackling current Church terminology and usage is work. Education is key in situations where errors or mis-steps in ecclesiology are concerned, and believe me everyone makes them from time to time.
Thank you for your comment.
In Christ,
Robert
It took me years to learn this proper notion of communio. Tackling current Church terminology and usage is work. Education is key in situations where errors or mis-steps in ecclesiology are concerned, and believe me everyone makes them from time to time.
Thank you for your comment.
In Christ,
Robert
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Volodymyr
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TELEVISION PRODUCTION OF COUNCIL AND INTRONIZATSIA
PATRIARCH KIRILL
I have below placed link to a television program (25 minutes long). It is produced on teleivision production called **Orthodox Encyclopedia. **
All you must do is to push on arrow at center of video and it will play. All talking is in Russian. First you will meet the host of show who tells what will be on show. Then they show beginning of Archpriestly Sobor, then of Local Council which elects Kirill, then tell about life of Kirll with comments by host of show and also by Bishop Ilarion of Avstria and Vien and finally of intronizatsizia. Music will be understandable to all and also kindly voice of Patriarch Kirill. I hope this can show how Orthodox church is doing in Russia and Ukraina.
sedmitza.ru/text/559436.html
PATRIARCH KIRILL
I have below placed link to a television program (25 minutes long). It is produced on teleivision production called **Orthodox Encyclopedia. **
All you must do is to push on arrow at center of video and it will play. All talking is in Russian. First you will meet the host of show who tells what will be on show. Then they show beginning of Archpriestly Sobor, then of Local Council which elects Kirill, then tell about life of Kirll with comments by host of show and also by Bishop Ilarion of Avstria and Vien and finally of intronizatsizia. Music will be understandable to all and also kindly voice of Patriarch Kirill. I hope this can show how Orthodox church is doing in Russia and Ukraina.
sedmitza.ru/text/559436.html
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